9/11 - Conspiracies & Crackpots

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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:28 pm

Fletch wrote:
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Rolluplostinspace wrote:So if the building fails without warning and to avoid people being killed in the streets everyone inside these buildings are collateral damage as the floors pancake on top of each other?


Buildings that collapse with a warning are a planned demolition.

These had planes flying into them and were designed to do a thing if a thing happened.

It happened.


They were hit pretty high up too. I don’t know why anyone would expect them to fall sideways. :dunno:

There would have been massive structural damage at the point of impact. That weight from the upper floors will have pulverised the floors under it. Hence the pancaking. They weren’t built to absorb such downward forces.

Even the 911 commission had to admit the floors didn't pancake or the collapse would have been thud thud thud meaning much slower and is reckoned to have come to a stop about fifty floors tall.
There were no floors above the next floor up as can be clearly seen from the freefall speed which they come down at.
Freefall is not possible without removing stuff from the bottom up.


From my earlier link:

Ask yourself: Could the aircraft impacts and jet fuel fires really render the structures so feeble that they offered little more resistance than air? If common sense doesn’t provide the answer, do a little research and you’ll find that it couldn’t. And if it couldn’t, the whole official narrative falls apart as quickly as the buildings.

If, since 2001, you haven’t watched a video of the three towers (yes, three) coming down, do so again. Just watch. Really watch. Use your stopwatch if you like. Do some simple maths (the acceleration of gravity is 9.81 metres per second/per second).

Consider the structures – marvels of architectural engineering. Picture the thousands of tonnes of steel beams and girders that held those buildings up for decades. Watch those thousands of tonnes of steel beams and girders offering next to no resistance as the buildings come down, defying the laws of physics if the official explanation is to be believed – not once, but three times in one day.

There’s more, much more, and the implications are horrific. Just how horrific will be all too obvious when future generations marvel at how easily and eagerly so many were deceived.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/isaac-new ... st/5688656

What do people think that fucking big ball of fire was .... the curtains?
The fuel went up bang on impact.
Even if it hadn't there wasn't enough to do much damage to buildings that size!
The firemen got to the scene of impact and radiod back there were just a few office fires that they could bring under control quickly .... shown by the black smoke .... cool fire ....whit or blue smoke hot fire but no .... black smoke cool fire.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:30 pm

Stooo wrote:
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Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:So if the building fails without warning and to avoid people being killed in the streets everyone inside these buildings are collateral damage as the floors pancake on top of each other?


Buildings that collapse with a warning are a planned demolition.

These had planes flying into them and were designed to do a thing if a thing happened.

It happened.


They were hit pretty high up too. I don’t know why anyone would expect them to fall sideways. :dunno:

There would have been massive structural damage at the point of impact. That weight from the upper floors will have pulverised the floors under it. Hence the pancaking. They weren’t built to absorb such downward forces.


A lot of force hit them sideways.

They were built to handle multiple strikes and if anything the impact should have sent the buildings sideways.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:32 pm

They were actually built in such a way that two whole sides could be taken out and they would have still stood.
The building of the world trade centre .....
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Fletch » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:32 pm

When Americans Fell for the 9/11 Deception They Lost Their Country
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Today is the 18 anniversary of 9/11, an event that has turned a once free America into a domestic police state and an international warmonger during the 21st century. America’s reputation has been shattered along with the Constitution, international law, and seven nations in whole or part. The massive crimes against the Bill of Rights and the population of seven nations are the direct consequence of 9/11.

Global Research has assembled some articles that indicate that not only Americans but the people of the world have been massively deceived about that event.

Over the years I have reported the findings of scientists, engineers, and architects that indicate that the official story is false. I had an open mind for two reasons. One is that having been an engineering student, I could tell the difference from a building falling down from asymmetrical structural damage and a building blowing up.

The other is that having been involved in policy issues in Washington for a quarter century I knew that such a humiliating defeat suffered by the world’s only superpower at the hands of a few Muslim terrorists would have brought instant demands from the White House, Congress, and media for investigation into how every aspect of the American national security state failed simultaneously on one morning.

Instead the White House resisted the 9/11 families demands for an investigation for one year and never delivered a forensic investigation. Instead, the country was given a 9/11 Commission Report that was merely the government’s official story of what happened. No heads rolled. No one was fired or even reprimanded. To hold no one accountable for such a massive failure and humiliating defeat is not a believable response if the official 9/11 story is true.

It is much easier for government to deceive people in a democracy where people assume everything is above board than in a dictatorship where they know it is not.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/when-amer ... ry/5688752
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Stooo » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:34 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Stooo wrote:
NastyNickers wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:So if the building fails without warning and to avoid people being killed in the streets everyone inside these buildings are collateral damage as the floors pancake on top of each other?


Buildings that collapse with a warning are a planned demolition.

These had planes flying into them and were designed to do a thing if a thing happened.

It happened.


They were hit pretty high up too. I don’t know why anyone would expect them to fall sideways. :dunno:

There would have been massive structural damage at the point of impact. That weight from the upper floors will have pulverised the floors under it. Hence the pancaking. They weren’t built to absorb such downward forces.


A lot of force hit them sideways.

They were built to handle multiple strikes and if anything the impact should have sent the buildings sideways.


But they collapsed into themselves. What would you expect in a densely populated city, building codes that let the fucking things crash into the streets?
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:38 pm

Why hasn't the built in collapse mechanism triggered and why aren't the people expecting such a thing?

San Francisco high-rise is sinking and leaning

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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Fletch » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:They were built to handle multiple strikes and if anything the impact should have sent the buildings sideways.


But they collapsed into themselves. What would you expect in a densely populated city, building codes that let the fucking things crash into the streets?


Why didn't Grenfell tower block fall?

It was on fire for longer and yet remained standing.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Fletch » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:56 pm

Stooo wrote:But they collapsed into themselves. What would you expect in a densely populated city, building codes that let the fucking things crash into the streets?


Building codes can't design a building to collapse in a particular way without creating serious weakness compromising their integrity.

Weakness built in (crumple zones) is what cars use in certain areas to absorb the force of impact reducing the force on driver/passenger. It doesn't work that way with high rise buildings.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Fletch » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:11 pm

Chile, September 11, 1973: The Inauguration of Neoliberalism, “Shock Treatment” and the Instruments of Economic Repression: The Junta’s Deadly “Economic Medicine”

Salvador Allende was assassinated on the orders of Henry Kissinger

Immediately following Allende’s election in September 1970 and prior to his inauguration in November 1970:

“Kissinger initiated discussion on the telephone with CIA director Richard Helm’s about a preemptive coup in Chile. “We will not let Chile go down the drain,” Kissinger declared. “I am with you,” Helms responded. Their conversation took place three days before President Nixon, in a 15-minute meeting that included Kissinger, ordered the CIA to “make the economy scream,” and named Kissinger as the supervisor of the covert efforts to keep Allende from being inaugurated. (National Security Archive)


The CIA was the lead organization behind the imposition of a neoliberal economic agenda in Chile. In August 1972, a year prior to the coup, the CIA funded a 300-page economic blueprint to be implemented in the wake of the overthrow of the Allende government.

The ultimate objective of the September 11, 1973 military coup in Chile was the imposition of the neoliberal agenda (aka deadly “economic medicine”) leading to the impoverishment of an entire nation.

Wall Street was behind the coup, working hand in glove with the CIA, the US State Department and Chile’s economic elites. Henry Kissinger was the Go-Between.

After Allende’s election in November Wall Street’s major commercial banks (including Chase Manhattan, Chemical, First National City, Manufacturers Hanover, and Morgan Guaranty), cancelled credits to Chile. In turn, in 1972, Kennecott Corporation “tied up Chilean copper exports with lawsuits in France, Sweden, Italy, and Germany”. (See John M. Swomley, Jr. “The Political Power of Multinational Corporations,” Christian Century, 91 (25 September 1974), p. 881.

“Regime change” was enforced through a covert CIA military intelligence operation, which laid the groundwork for the military takeover, the assassination of president Allende as well as the macro-economic reforms to be adopted in the wake of the military coup.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/chile-sep ... ne/5545802

Another 9/11.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Guest » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:19 pm

So according to you Fletch...who brought down the buildings and why?
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Toke 'n' gesture » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:55 pm

Jesus fucking Christ, someone please get them some tin hats :/
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:04 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:9/11: Finally the Truth Comes Out?
Although the United States is allegedly a democracy with a rule of law, it has taken 17 years for public pressure to bring about the first grand jury investigation of 9/11. Based on the work of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth led by Richard Gage, first responder and pilots organizations, books by David Ray Griffen and others, and eyewitness testimony, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry has presented enough hard facts to the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York to force his compliance with the provisions of federal law that require the convening of a federal grand jury to investigate for the first time the attacks of September 11, 2001.

This puts the US Justice (sic) Department in an extraordinary position. Every informed person is aware that elements of the US government were involved either in the perpetration of the 9/11 attacks or in a coverup of the attacks. There will be tremendous pressures on the US Attorney’s office to have the grand jury dismiss the evidence as an unpatriotic conspiracy theory or otherwise maneuver to discredit the evidence presented by the Lawyers’ Committee, or modify the official account without totally discrediting it.

We can have hopes that the United States can establish the true story of its own Reichstag Fire, but I am not holding my breath that the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York can stand up to the powerful elements in the Deep State that perpetuated or covered up the 9/11 false flag attacks or that he is inclined to try.

What the 9/11 truthers and the Lawyers’ Committee have achieved is the destruction of the designation of 9/11 skeptics as “conspiracy theorists.” No US Attorney would convene a grand jury on the basis of a conspiracy theory. Clearly, the evidence is compelling that has put the US Attorney in an unenviable position.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/20 ... comes-out/

According to some on here judge you need a tin hat.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:07 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Generals admirals CIA FBI politicians refusing to believe the official 911 story .....
No doubt these highly trained highly disciplined people are all crackpot conspiracy theorists yes?

Just scroll down and see the people who have had the bottle to put their names forward for years saying the official explanation doesn't hold water.

Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement,
and Government Officials Question
the 9/11 Commission Report
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

All you highly trained highly disciplined patriots need a tin hat according to some on here.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:11 am

News Conference: First Responders Urge Congress to Reopen 9/11 Investigation
September 10, 2019

In July, Commissioner Gioia and the four other commissioners of their fire district unanimously approved a resolution calling for a new investigation into the September 11th attacks.

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/563-new ... estigation

According to some on here you first responders need tin hats.
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Re: 9/11 - 18 years ago today

Postby Guest » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:16 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I came up with this idea a few years ago.
Build a model of the world trade centre from mechano.
Set fire to it throw rocks at it crash things into the buildings and see if you can get every bolt in every joint to all fail at once and watch it telescope into itself.
Film it of course for Youtube and for making history.


I think that it's a bit more complicated than that :ooer:

But the simple method won't work just like the more complicated one couldn't.
Make it as complex as you like it can't be done can it.
Are you going to provide some links to your new conspiracy theories?




It's all to do with ratio's rollup, you can't replicate something that big and expect it to react to forces exerted upon it. And get the same result using a meccano set you utter fucking moron
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