Electric cars?

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Who the fuck would want one?

[ArchieG]

Me? I’ve always loved the idea of it, getting enough range is the issue. However, my first long trip was to Conwy. There are 2 fast charge points in NW Wales, and it’s a big place. I can safely report that your part of the world is not ready for visitors in electric cars. Owning one might be ok if you can charge at home. I’ve got a home charge point, and, because I’ve got enough range, I haven't charged at a public charge point since November last year. That makes it cheap. 25% of the cost of my previoys petrol car. It’s very fast too, far quicker than people expect. Slightly faster than my previous, which was renowned and famous for it. So I’m a fan. But we’re not ready for mass adoption. A very long way behind the curve on that. My quoted range is 292 miles. It won’t make that in winter, plus of course you don’t drive til it stops, you need a safety margin, 200 is realistic. It costs me about £16 to charge at home, but it could be £60 at a motorway charger. A full charge at home would take over 12 hours, but irl that never happens. At Banbury Instavolt station it took 40 mins. There’s a Costa there, we had a wee and a coffee. You could easily make the experience crap, but we manage fine. The N Wales trip was slightly stressful, but we managed with the help of a 3 pin mains lead though a kitchen window and a small bribe. I’d plan it differently, knowing that the charger at Lidl on Llandudno has a queue all morning on Saturdays. My recommendation for you is, if you don’t like the idea, you’ll hate it and continually find fault. We 100% love ours, it’s super smooth, fast, stylish, has lots of in car toys, lovely interior, fantastic.Anything else you want to know, I’ll do my best.

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Me? I’ve always loved the idea of it, getting enough range is the issue. However, my first long trip was to Conwy. There are 2 fast charge points in NW Wales, and it’s a big place. I can safely report that your part of the world is not ready for visitors in electric cars. Owning one might be ok if you can charge at home. I’ve got a home charge point, and, because I’ve got enough range, I haven't charged at a public charge point since November last year. That makes it cheap. 25% of the cost of my previoys petrol car. It’s very fast too, far quicker than people expect. Slightly faster than my previous, which was renowned and famous for it. So I’m a fan. But we’re not ready for mass adoption. A very long way behind the curve on that. My quoted range is 292 miles. It won’t make that in winter, plus of course you don’t drive til it stops, you need a safety margin, 200 is realistic. It costs me about £16 to charge at home, but it could be £60 at a motorway charger. A full charge at home would take over 12 hours, but irl that never happens. At Banbury Instavolt station it took 40 mins. There’s a Costa there, we had a wee and a coffee. You could easily make the experience crap, but we manage fine. The N Wales trip was slightly stressful, but we managed with the help of a 3 pin mains lead though a kitchen window and a small bribe. I’d plan it differently, knowing that the charger at Lidl on Llandudno has a queue all morning on Saturdays. My recommendation for you is, if you don’t like the idea, you’ll hate it and continually find fault. We 100% love ours, it’s super smooth, fast, stylish, has lots of in car toys, lovely interior, fantastic.Anything else you want to know, I’ll do my best.

Nice in depth reply!
A local has had a Tesla for two years and he's happy with it but I don't think he ever goes more than a fifty mile round trip anywhere.
That's quite a trek you made there.
Seems there's not a lot wrong with the cars but for me it's really down to the lack of charges points and you have the situation in N Wales sussed.
There's a huge shortage of charge points.
Report I read yesterday says 10 out of 12 Morrisons charge points are never working!
That kind of stress I can do without.

[Stooo]

Who would want a car when in 2023 we should have a thriving public transport system? ICE vehicles are being phased out by 2030 and there will probably be shitboxes still in regular use for around ten years after until they become as common as horse and carts are today and something has to replace them otherwise Ford, Nissan, Honda, GM and all the rest go bust and the people who profit from those companies can't allow that, think of the poor shareholders risking their billions

Motor manufactures want them, it's your job to consume and shut up.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Who would want a car when in 2023 we should have a thriving public transport system? ICE vehicles are being phased out by 2030 and there will probably be shitboxes still in regular use for around ten years after until they become as common as horse and carts are today and something has to replace them otherwise Ford, Nissan, Honda, GM and all the rest go bust and the people who profit from those companies can't allow that, think of the poor shareholders risking their billions

Motor manufactures want them, it's your job to consume and shut up.

There's no thriving public transport system here and even if there was it wouldn't take me to where I want to go like someones house.

[ArchieG]

Me? I’ve always loved the idea of it, getting enough range is the issue. However, my first long trip was to Conwy. There are 2 fast charge points in NW Wales, and it’s a big place. I can safely report that your part of the world is not ready for visitors in electric cars. Owning one might be ok if you can charge at home. I’ve got a home charge point, and, because I’ve got enough range, I haven't charged at a public charge point since November last year. That makes it cheap. 25% of the cost of my previoys petrol car. It’s very fast too, far quicker than people expect. Slightly faster than my previous, which was renowned and famous for it. So I’m a fan. But we’re not ready for mass adoption. A very long way behind the curve on that. My quoted range is 292 miles. It won’t make that in winter, plus of course you don’t drive til it stops, you need a safety margin, 200 is realistic. It costs me about £16 to charge at home, but it could be £60 at a motorway charger. A full charge at home would take over 12 hours, but irl that never happens. At Banbury Instavolt station it took 40 mins. There’s a Costa there, we had a wee and a coffee. You could easily make the experience crap, but we manage fine. The N Wales trip was slightly stressful, but we managed with the help of a 3 pin mains lead though a kitchen window and a small bribe. I’d plan it differently, knowing that the charger at Lidl on Llandudno has a queue all morning on Saturdays. My recommendation for you is, if you don’t like the idea, you’ll hate it and continually find fault. We 100% love ours, it’s super smooth, fast, stylish, has lots of in car toys, lovely interior, fantastic.Anything else you want to know, I’ll do my best.

Nice in depth reply!
A local has had a Tesla for two years and he's happy with it but I don't think he ever goes more than a fifty mile round trip anywhere.
That's quite a trek you made there.
Seems there's not a lot wrong with the cars but for me it's really down to the lack of charges points and you have the situation in N Wales sussed.
There's a huge shortage of charge points.
Report I read yesterday says 10 out of 12 Morrisons charge points are never working!
That kind of stress I can do without.

Morrisons have signed up with Geniepoint. And you’re absolutely right, they are beyond a joke. McDonalds have gone with Instavolt, and, like Maccy D themselves, it's fast, clean and functional. MFG, who run fuel forecourts, have also got it right. Strategic locations, banks of 10 or more high speed chargers. The public charging situation is fairly easily fixed, we don’t need as many as people seem to think. Home and workplace charging is the key. Tourists like me have the time to deal with any difficulties in far flung corners. Chargers at much lower speeds are fine in the right places too. My home charger is only 7kw. A hotel needs a bank of those, and it’s probably enough for work ones too. Your Tesla owning friend, he loves it cos actually it’s less stressful for him than ICE power. The car quietly fuels up at home. If you don’t do many long journeys, you might also find it’s fine.

As for public transport, no country on planet earth has enough to serve rural communities to the point where personal transport is unnecessary. How would my wife get to her hospital appointment tomorrow? And countless millions of other relatively small trips that cannot be economically served by buses? Obviously, in a socialist utopia, there is no public health as well as no public transport, so everyone dies young. Sorted.

[Stooo]

Who would want a car when in 2023 we should have a thriving public transport system? ICE vehicles are being phased out by 2030 and there will probably be shitboxes still in regular use for around ten years after until they become as common as horse and carts are today and something has to replace them otherwise Ford, Nissan, Honda, GM and all the rest go bust and the people who profit from those companies can't allow that, think of the poor shareholders risking their billions

Motor manufactures want them, it's your job to consume and shut up.

There's no thriving public transport system here and even if there was it wouldn't take me to where I want to go like someones house.

There isn't but there should be.

[Gabby]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

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Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.
Fifty to a hundred miles a day is pretty normal around here and I could of course charge at home for that but The other day I was in Manchester I was in Liverpool the day before.
Tomorrow I'll be in Holyhead.
Then I probably won't go out for a week!
But there are three vehicles here for two of us. Wife's little car could go electric tomorrow.

[Gabby]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.
Fifty to a hundred miles a day is pretty normal around here and I could of course charge at home for that but The other day I was in Manchester I was in Liverpool the day before.
Tomorrow I'll be in Holyhead.
Then I probably won't go out for a week!
But there are three vehicles here for two of us. Wife's little car could go electric tomorrow.

Yeah, probably ideal if the only charge needed is at home!

[Guest]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.
Fifty to a hundred miles a day is pretty normal around here and I could of course charge at home for that but The other day I was in Manchester I was in Liverpool the day before.
Tomorrow I'll be in Holyhead.
Then I probably won't go out for a week!
But there are three vehicles here for two of us. Wife's little car could go electric tomorrow.

Steam powered vans should be brought back

[ArchieG]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.
Fifty to a hundred miles a day is pretty normal around here and I could of course charge at home for that but The other day I was in Manchester I was in Liverpool the day before.
Tomorrow I'll be in Holyhead.
Then I probably won't go out for a week!
But there are three vehicles here for two of us. Wife's little car could go electric tomorrow.

Steam powered vans should be brought back

Like this one? A camper van no less. And a lot cheaper than a VW https://www.legacyvehicles.co.uk/Team/A ... Living-Van

[Grafenwalder]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.

Thats exactly what UK have done but in Europe its a different story entirely with gigafactories already in production plus a growing infrastructure of charge stations. Its quite easy to drive EV's long distance daily in Europe.

The other point is EV's are over-priced and the industry needs an Issigonis to come up with a peoples car. Citroen are about the closest with their Ami at £5k or £6k but it only has a 45 mile range on a full charge and top speed of 28mph.

[ArchieG]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.

Thats exactly what UK have done but in Europe its a different story entirely with gigafactories already in production plus a growing infrastructure of charge stations. Its quite easy to drive EV's long distance daily in Europe.

The other point is EV's are over-priced and the industry needs an Issigonis to come up with a peoples car. Citroen are about the closest with their Ami at £5k or £6k but it only has a 45 mile range on a full charge and top speed of 28mph.

People’s cars cost about 25k these days, sadly. They’re not really for the people are they. But I guess it’s better than having Hitler build them for us. Have you driven an electric car in Europe, Graf? How do you know it’s easy? It’s actually easy in most of UK. Though Filey is lacking in charge points, as is N Wales. But if you want to go from Southampton to Preston, say, it’s no bother, Unless you're driving that Citroen, when a sore arse will be the least of your problems.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Who the fuck would want one?

I’ve thought about it, my car is mostly used locally or just short distances…. long distance we use OHs car!… so I’ve not ruled one out yet!

Me neither it's the charging up I worry about.
It seems to have been done arse about face.
Build the cars then the infrastructure.

Thats exactly what UK have done but in Europe its a different story entirely with gigafactories already in production plus a growing infrastructure of charge stations. Its quite easy to drive EV's long distance daily in Europe.

The other point is EV's are over-priced and the industry needs an Issigonis to come up with a peoples car. Citroen are about the closest with their Ami at £5k or £6k but it only has a 45 mile range on a full charge and top speed of 28mph.

The Citroen sounds very much like what used to be in the 60's known as a spazz car. Disability vehicle.
I remember them in my younger days but till I read this link I didn't know they were distributed for free!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invacar