DS and DTV Part Twenty-Two

[Odessa Steps]

I have no issue with Uly on this tbh. I think a sensible default position on DS is to regard everything as at best severly embellished and at the worst made up to make a point. No one particularly wants to be suckered into a story that laters proves to be false because it makes you look a total dick and almost every story on DS is complete bullshit. So yeah... when a true one comes along and you are already on the path of disbelief... and most of the time you should be... it's pretty hard to jolt yourself back the right way.

I;ve been caught out... cynic that I am... the whole Jade Goody fiasco had me pelting myself in the face with eggs (sorry to everyone I offended yet again) and I assume every Daily Mail article is a lie even though they;re like a broken clock now and then. Of course DTV is the sort of enviroment where a pack insinct has been encouraged and no one wants to be the one swimming against that particular tide... and again once you have momentum doing a u-turn on something isn't that easy, especially if you don't want to lose face. How often do people realise they've gone too far before it's too late?

Oh... as for more people here encouraging mass reporting than DTV... I've noticed it happening but the tendancy seems to be the "guests" doing it and there in a teeny tiny way to catch up with DTV on that one in fairness. It is a dick head sort of thing to do, no disagreement there.

[Ray of Sunshine]

Just read the Noooway thread on DS for the first time and it is Kippeh and Jane Doh who come across as twisted.

I understand that they must have been at this point debating the credibility of the poster on DTV which they thought allowed them to be blatantly insensitive

Jane Doh endlessly complaining that the thread is in General Discussion?? GIven the nature of the thread does anyone really give a flying fuck! What a vile attitude.

Jane Doh was a disgrace as was Kippeh's remark. Everyone else (on the DS thread at least) seemed to be very supportive. It made me tear up a little just reading the thread.

Good on RainbowBabe22 and MissPinotGiot for displaying some kindness and sensitivity.

Ah yes. Who could forget Vassago on DTV at the time who announced that he wanted RainbowBabe should jump into a pool of used needles - simply for believing and sympathising with Noooway.

That was just fucked up beyond belief.

Lol. Vassago the internet hardman who turned out to be an unemplyed doley. Genuinely was chased off the internet.

As opposed to an employed doley?

That's tautology right there.

[Ray of Sunshine]

Doxy poos reckons how people react to the moon landing is a good judge of someone's intelligence. I reckon it's the noooway threads. Craycray piss sex threads not withstanding.

Tony_Smith3 on the 9/11 thread sounds just like him

Could be him, he started off on conspiracy sites.

[Guest]

I have no issue with Uly on this tbh. I think a sensible default position on DS is to regard everything as at best severly embellished and at the worst made up to make a point. No one particularly wants to be suckered into a story that laters proves to be false because it makes you look a total dick and almost every story on DS is complete bullshit. So yeah... when a true one comes along and you are already on the path of disbelief... and most of the time you should be... it's pretty hard to jolt yourself back the right way.

I;ve been caught out... cynic that I am... the whole Jade Goody fiasco had me pelting myself in the face with eggs (sorry to everyone I offended yet again) and I assume every Daily Mail article is a lie even though they;re like a broken clock now and then. Of course DTV is the sort of enviroment where a pack insinct has been encouraged and no one wants to be the one swimming against that particular tide... and again once you have momentum doing a u-turn on something isn't that easy, especially if you don't want to lose face. How often do people realise they've gone too far before it's too late?

Oh... as for more people here encouraging mass reporting than DTV... I've noticed it happening but the tendancy seems to be the "guests" doing it and there in a teeny tiny way to catch up with DTV on that one in fairness. It is a dick head sort of thing to do, no disagreement there.

Good post except I think I've only see one attempt to recruit b&a tactics here.

[Guest]

Surely you can see having a pop at a woman undergoing such a traumatic experience is deeply wrong on so many levels. The people from DTV were wrong to make tactless crass comments just because they thought she was trolling.

It makes me fucking howl, this partisan bullshit that "evil DTV" are some kind of collective who egg each other on to fuck everything up on DS. The fact is, like here, as soon as something gets spotted and linked to, people who follow those links to the respective thread on DS might invariably decide (or not) to chip in with something of their own. That's it.

I have no particular bias towards either, being here and on DTV, but I'll tell you what, I see more shit-stirring and pack calls to out and / or alert DS'ers here than I ever have on DTV.

Whether "Noooway" was telling the truth or not, and I think it was a load of bollocks, the fact is, and it is there to be read still, that thread was classic trolling, because of the manner in which it was drip-fed detail by delicious detail. She had you all on a hook, gagging for the next bit.

But people on DTV proved the woman was NOT talking bollocks! So I find it interesting but disappointing that you are pretending not to know that she was telling the truth.

A woman who was clearly unstable due to her immense grief has chosen (whether YOU think it suitable or savoury or not) to discuss her situation with the forumers on DS.

Your behaviour was a disgrace. If you didn't feel the thread was suitable for GD (although what it has to do with you Lord only knows) you didn't have to continue reading it. Or you could have alerted the moderators.

Option c) making crass remarks to the woman herself about such a personal tragedy is sickening. Do you seriously not get that.

[Rosie]

You can come on here and try to justify yourself all you like Uly but the fact remains: you were heavily involved in the mental torture of a recently bereaved young mother - someone whose mind was clearly all over the place. Someone who probably thought she post on an entertainment website since it is a large and busy forum and she knew her plight would be recognised there. Someone who hadn't posted that often beforehand and didn't have previous as a bullshitter. Someone who should have been given the benefit of the doubt, Uly.
You clearly didn't believe her so you should have left well alone rather than trying to score points with your mates on another forum over something so tragic.
I hope you are proud of yourself and that this has cemented the macho persona you have carved out for yourself on DTV.
Personally I think you are scum for what you posted to this vulnerable, mixed up and bereft young woman. Utter scum.

Mental torture? Don't make me fucking laugh. You shouldn't have believed such a blatant load of bollocks should you?

You really are a terrible person

He actually is. Or its some sort of dismal attempt at a macho bullshit act ..!

Not worth bothering with.

[Guest]

Just read the Noooway thread on DS for the first time and it is Kippeh and Jane Doh who come across as twisted.

I understand that they must have been at this point debating the credibility of the poster on DTV which they thought allowed them to be blatantly insensitive

Jane Doh endlessly complaining that the thread is in General Discussion?? GIven the nature of the thread does anyone really give a flying fuck! What a vile attitude.

Jane Doh was a disgrace as was Kippeh's remark. Everyone else (on the DS thread at least) seemed to be very supportive. It made me tear up a little just reading the thread.

Good on RainbowBabe22 and MissPinotGiot for displaying some kindness and sensitivity.

Ah yes. Who could forget Vassago on DTV at the time who announced that he wanted RainbowBabe should jump into a pool of used needles - simply for believing and sympathising with Noooway.

That was just fucked up beyond belief.

You're forgetting the broken glass. The used needles clearly weren't punishment enough!

[kathers]

I have no issue with Uly on this tbh. I think a sensible default position on DS is to regard everything as at best severly embellished and at the worst made up to make a point. No one particularly wants to be suckered into a story that laters proves to be false because it makes you look a total dick and almost every story on DS is complete bullshit. So yeah... when a true one comes along and you are already on the path of disbelief... and most of the time you should be... it's pretty hard to jolt yourself back the right way.

I;ve been caught out... cynic that I am... the whole Jade Goody fiasco had me pelting myself in the face with eggs (sorry to everyone I offended yet again) and I assume every Daily Mail article is a lie even though they;re like a broken clock now and then. Of course DTV is the sort of enviroment where a pack insinct has been encouraged and no one wants to be the one swimming against that particular tide... and again once you have momentum doing a u-turn on something isn't that easy, especially if you don't want to lose face. How often do people realise they've gone too far before it's too late?

Oh... as for more people here encouraging mass reporting than DTV... I've noticed it happening but the tendancy seems to be the "guests" doing it and there in a teeny tiny way to catch up with DTV on that one in fairness. It is a dick head sort of thing to do, no disagreement there.

I've been deceived many times. Fake deaths, fake babies, fake illnesses, fake friends probably the worst of all. Now I just don't invest my emotions in anything on forums, or give anyone my trust...that isn't really the same as believing or disbelieving, and those things aren't the same as declaring my disbelief peppered with insults and snark to the person in question and/or behind their back. There are levels to this. I'd in no way suggest anyone believe anything right off the bat - I'd even less soon suggest that everyone should devote real sympathy and time into supporting people who may be liars. But there's a vast land of options between those things, and how people seem to have reacted. My vote is just to make a scathing remark in your head or somewhere genuinely private, then go do something else. But I guess that would make the various spin-off forums a lot less entertaining so whatever, I just wish those who can't stop themselves going from nought to spite in 2.6 seconds would fully own it and sack the excuses and justifications and attempts to shift blame.

[Guest]

I have no issue with Uly on this tbh. I think a sensible default position on DS is to regard everything as at best severly embellished and at the worst made up to make a point. No one particularly wants to be suckered into a story that laters proves to be false because it makes you look a total dick and almost every story on DS is complete bullshit. So yeah... when a true one comes along and you are already on the path of disbelief... and most of the time you should be... it's pretty hard to jolt yourself back the right way.

I;ve been caught out... cynic that I am... the whole Jade Goody fiasco had me pelting myself in the face with eggs (sorry to everyone I offended yet again) and I assume every Daily Mail article is a lie even though they;re like a broken clock now and then. Of course DTV is the sort of enviroment where a pack insinct has been encouraged and no one wants to be the one swimming against that particular tide... and again once you have momentum doing a u-turn on something isn't that easy, especially if you don't want to lose face. How often do people realise they've gone too far before it's too late?

Oh... as for more people here encouraging mass reporting than DTV... I've noticed it happening but the tendancy seems to be the "guests" doing it and there in a teeny tiny way to catch up with DTV on that one in fairness. It is a dick head sort of thing to do, no disagreement there.

I've been deceived many times. Fake deaths, fake babies, fake illnesses, fake friends probably the worst of all. Now I just don't invest my emotions in anything on forums, or give anyone my trust...that isn't really the same as believing or disbelieving, and those things aren't the same as declaring my disbelief peppered with insults and snark to the person in question and/or behind their back. There are levels to this. I'd in no way suggest anyone believe anything right off the bat - I'd even less soon suggest that everyone should devote real sympathy and time into supporting people who may be liars. But there's a vast land of options between those things, and how people seem to have reacted. My vote is just to make a scathing remark in your head or somewhere genuinely private, then go do something else. But I guess that would make the various spin-off forums a lot less entertaining so whatever, I just wish those who can't stop themselves going from nought to spite in 2.6 seconds would fully own it and sack the excuses and justifications and attempts to shift blame.

Ooh, miss holier than thou
Depends what it is, when you've got the same troll in every thread you visit virtually controlling the forum with their tales and the enablers allowing it why not say something? Which ironically is exactly what you're doing now.

The Noooway thing sounds like it should never have happened, too sensitive a subject, suspected lie or not. Some things, perfectly apt to call out and in some cases its expected from the "baiter", its what they want. Everyone wants some sort of interreaction/response.

[Guest]

I have no issue with Uly on this tbh. I think a sensible default position on DS is to regard everything as at best severly embellished and at the worst made up to make a point. No one particularly wants to be suckered into a story that laters proves to be false because it makes you look a total dick and almost every story on DS is complete bullshit. So yeah... when a true one comes along and you are already on the path of disbelief... and most of the time you should be... it's pretty hard to jolt yourself back the right way.

I;ve been caught out... cynic that I am... the whole Jade Goody fiasco had me pelting myself in the face with eggs (sorry to everyone I offended yet again) and I assume every Daily Mail article is a lie even though they;re like a broken clock now and then. Of course DTV is the sort of enviroment where a pack insinct has been encouraged and no one wants to be the one swimming against that particular tide... and again once you have momentum doing a u-turn on something isn't that easy, especially if you don't want to lose face. How often do people realise they've gone too far before it's too late?

Oh... as for more people here encouraging mass reporting than DTV... I've noticed it happening but the tendancy seems to be the "guests" doing it and there in a teeny tiny way to catch up with DTV on that one in fairness. It is a dick head sort of thing to do, no disagreement there.

I've been deceived many times. Fake deaths, fake babies, fake illnesses, fake friends probably the worst of all. Now I just don't invest my emotions in anything on forums, or give anyone my trust...that isn't really the same as believing or disbelieving, and those things aren't the same as declaring my disbelief peppered with insults and snark to the person in question and/or behind their back. There are levels to this. I'd in no way suggest anyone believe anything right off the bat - I'd even less soon suggest that everyone should devote real sympathy and time into supporting people who may be liars. But there's a vast land of options between those things, and how people seem to have reacted. My vote is just to make a scathing remark in your head or somewhere genuinely private, then go do something else. But I guess that would make the various spin-off forums a lot less entertaining so whatever, I just wish those who can't stop themselves going from nought to spite in 2.6 seconds would fully own it and sack the excuses and justifications and attempts to shift blame.

This is rich from you?

I'm with the other people who don't think you were ever real. I think you're the "mum" and have been the entire time and inventing a teen girl to get away with the shit she posted. 11yrs old and some of the stuff you "claimed" was bullshit. The pics showed a chubby girl then all of a sudden you were a goth skinny? no. So stop accusing other people of being fed up with fakers when you've been the biggest one of all.

Fucking hypocrite.

[Si_Crewe]

Course, then there's also the issue of one bunch of randomers jumping on the bandwagon just 'cos it gives them an excuse to slag off another bunch of randomers on a different interweb forum.

That's pretty reprehensible too.

[kathers]

Course, then there's also the issue of one bunch of randomers jumping on the bandwagon just 'cos it gives them an excuse to slag off another bunch of randomers on a different interweb forum.

That's pretty reprehensible too.

A little. There's a lot less potential for harm in that case.

Let it be known that I'm not really taking sides on cross forum matters, I'm basically slagging off - or more, preaching sanctimoniously to - almost everyone other than my immaculate self.

[Si_Crewe]

A little. There's a lot less potential for harm in that case.

Let it be known that I'm not really taking sides on cross forum matters, I'm basically slagging off - or more, preaching sanctimoniously to - almost everyone other than my immaculate self.

I dunno.

Given the nature of the thing, it seems like having a bunch of arseholes using a personal tragedy to beat another bunch of arseholes over the head with for month after month after month might be rather, erm, unsettling.

And, of course, I am fully aware that continuing to discuss it might not be helping either.


On the bright side, when Noooway PMed me to confirm that it WAS her on DTV, she explained that her head was well-and-truly up her own arse at the time but that she was feeling much better so I hope that, regardless of the truth of the matter, she's comfortable with herself these days.

[kathers]

A little. There's a lot less potential for harm in that case.

Let it be known that I'm not really taking sides on cross forum matters, I'm basically slagging off - or more, preaching sanctimoniously to - almost everyone other than my immaculate self.

I dunno.

Given the nature of the thing, it seems like having a bunch of arseholes using a personal tragedy to beat another bunch of arseholes over the head with for month after month after month might be rather, erm, unsettling.

And, of course, I am fully aware that continuing to discuss it might not be helping either.


On the bright side, when Noooway PMed me to confirm that it WAS her on DTV, she explained that her head was well-and-truly up her own arse at the time but that she was feeling much better so I hope that, regardless of the truth of the matter, she's comfortable with herself these days.

Yes, there's a little room for harm, but not as much as directly going for her or anyone in a similar situation. I don't think anyone should drag people's names back into things time and again to score points when it is very transparent that that's what they are doing, but I think some of it is in good faith. A little comment here and there isn't the same as completely dredging up the trauma, but it's a matter with more nuance than the original incident.

[jra]

Self awareness is in short supply as well...

Yay!

Another one for my "Bullshit Bingo" card.

I just need "DTV Clique" and "keyboard warrior" for a full-house.

Add racist, politically correct, sexist, misogynist for good measure to that list.