Garrett1 wrote:guest wrote:Garrett1 wrote:Lexi wrote:A young girl I know from our school days, was crushed at Hillsborough and her back was broken, she has been in a wheelchair ever since! She is not a 'hooligan' or 'drunken thug'! She is an innocent victim of police negligence and I'm so relieved for the families that they have finally gotten justice.
Christ! I get more sense out of my pet crow than some of you here.
Nobody is suggesting that the police were NOT negligent.The point I, and it seems Maddog, are making is that football fans disgraceful behaviour around this time had become so bad that it was deemed necessary to keep them in pens to stop them trying to kill each other.
If they weren't penned in they wouldn't have been crushed in this way. Therefore the behaviour of PREVIOUS football fans lead to a policy of all fans having to be physically seperated at matches by being put in pens.
Therefore football "fans" hold some responsibility for this tragedy. Get it now Wutang etc?
Not entirely true. In 1946 thirty-three fans lost their lives in a crush at Bolton Wanderers Burnden Park Stadium.
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/118 ... _disaster/
What's not entirely true?
Again, the fans behaviour resulted in the tragedy you've linked to -
" with many climbing over walls to get into the ground when the turnstiles were shut in the hope of seeing Stoke star Stanley Matthews in action."If the turnstiles are closed because the event is full capacity then you go home.
It is not entirely true that if they weren't penned in that they wouldn't have been crushed. The people at the Bolton game weren't penned in and they were crushed.
There was no police cordon to ensure people going to see the match formed orderly queues outside the stadium on the day of the match which resulted in crowd congestion at the seven turnstiles available to the Liverpool fans.
If there had been an adequate police presence outside the stadium they could have got the crowd forming orderly queues preventing the congestion at the turnstiles leading to the decision to open the exit gate.
If the police hadn't opened the exit gate at Hillsborough then those fans wouldn't have entered the tunnel leading to the central pens. If the police had closed the tunnel leading to those pens then the fans would have headed toward the ones with space to hold them.
This had nothing to do with the past or present behaviour of the fans at football matches and everything to do with the inaction of the officials at the game to control the crowd, ensure their safety and prevent what happened. Everything that happened that day was forseeable and preventable and it was unforgivable that the fans were blamed for it and it's unforgivable that you and Maddog are continuing to blame them for it by using the actions of football thugs leading to the introduction of penned terraces in an attempt to troll.
Wherever there is a large crowd of people there is potential for something like this to happen without proper and adequate controls in place to prevent it. Sadly, for those 96 people at Hillsborough that day, that is exactly what did happen.