NastyNickers wrote:jp761 wrote:No I've actually been advocating different things that need to be discussed. Obviously I had to outline one of these things in order to discuss it.
The fact is if enough people let tw*** like Weinstein get away with unwanted groping time and time again... And they didn't say anything to him at the time! It's possible a guy will think it's fine. Him saying "it's what he's used to", says a lot.
Sure a guy does have to be a bit of a dick in the first place, to believe it's fine. But in my view, these things still need discussing. Can't you follow this, this is what I've
been discussing.
Also look at the jokes made about him at award ceremonies for years, 'men' and 'women' laughing in the audience. What a shit example that obviously sets. People have to always try and speak-out straight away when these guys take liberties. As I've said I'm not referring to rape, everyone knows why people may not speak-out straight away when it comes to rape.
I think your underestimating the impact that groping can have. And the predicament these women were in when it happened.
By saying that the women let him do it, and that's why it continued, you're effectively victim blaming.
If you're in a position of power, a boss or an interviewer, or a coworker, you should be nothing but professional. He shouldn't have done what he did. It is his fault. It's not the fault of those who didn't speak up, and they shouldn't be blamed for not speaking up.
It does need discussing. And it does need to be more transparent. But the victims aren't to blame for not speaking up, the culture surrounding rape, assault and groping is to blame. It is that that put these women in the position where they couldn't speak up.
Men also get unwanted arse slaps, bum pinches, chests groped. I would also say the same things that I've been saying, to them.
If some twat touches your breast or bum etc uninvited. My point is, that everyone has to 'try' and say something straight away. This is what should be discussed. But with the crap that I and others sometimes get directly or indirectly accused of it is no wonder that many people don't have the bollocks to bring certain issues up. Shying away from these issues does no good at all. Weinstein said "it's what he's used to" ffs, that probably tells you too many people let him get away with the odd fondle/grope here and there. It isn't the fault of the person who is violated, but this stuff needs discussing.
Men and women, shouldn't be sitting laughing at award ceremonies for years. Men and women should try to speak-out immediately if they are inappropriately touched, it will send out a stronger message into society in general.