DS and DTV - Part 86

[wizzywick]

Moving on to what though? Why does everyone believe that the world is moving on to something better? I'm not upset. I'm merely expressing an opinion. Universities can and do stifle debate, they often don't allow people to speak in case it causes offence. Look at the silliness surrounding the removal of historic statues. Our history wasn't great, no country's was, but it's what made us who we are today and we should be celebrating the fact that we have moved on from the past and learned by our mistakes. Yet we should also remember the past because when we make those mistakes again, it's there to remind us.

I realise young people are our future, but that doesn't mean that we all have to be called intolerant just because we don't share their views. If that is the case, what a bonkers form of democracy we have become.

Removed historical statues are simply replaced with other historical statues... why should it be objectional historical twats who get the spot? Standing up and saying you don't want someone speaking is part of the discussion... it becomes part of the debate and protest has and always will be a valid part of a free democracy... why should the press use it's escessive influence to interfere in the running of Universities and it's students?

Statue issue asides, I don't understand your logic regarding the stopping of discussion as part of a protest. How can you protest about a discussion you haven't heard yet? Surely in a democracy it is only right that a person who has views you don't agree with should be allowed to say those views in public as part of a debate? Then once they've spoken, that is the time for protest isn't it? Because by stopping one side from speaking in the first place, you are therefore deciding that only one view must be adopted, so you are left with a strange democratic paradox.

[Guest]

Fair point. Thanks for replying. I do see what you are saying. But do you not think that's where the perception of young people being the way I described comes from? I mean, that in my day (yeah, last century) we went out and mingled with lots of different people and we would sit in parks drinking cola until 2am in the morning discussing things or just putting the world to right. But we learned each others prejudices and accepted them.

Nowadays twitter attracts like minded people and of course that is fine, but it means the debate and the countering of a view is not being brought to the fore. It is great that we have moved on in some respects, but in other ways I think it's a form of regression. Just how I see it.

Only from those who believe twitter is the perfect example of young people everywhere.
I’m 28, so on the older side of the young people category, but I’m a socia media generation. We still go out and socialise, although we usually sat in a pub till 4am waffling shit and drinking pints. My best friend is a Tory voter, he’s also a transgender gay man bringing up a little girl with his husband.
We’re a more inclusive generation on the whole, of give you that. Being gay isn’t illegal now, and we celebrate their right to be equal. Racism is frowned upon by the majority, and we fight for equality for everyone. This was all fought for by the generations before us though, it’s your generation that should take the credit for the youngsters liberal-ness.

Excellent post Nasty Knickers. Whoever you are on digital spy forums I bet you are one of the better posters.

[Guest]

You guys can keep Wizzy here. at least if all his efforts are focused on Dogs it keeps him off all the other platforms he spams with this type of shite.

[Nice Guesty]

Well, guesty will be over the moon to have witnessed your flounce due to my inflexibility over jam. I'm not overly inflexible though, as long as it isn't Strawberry jam, because I hate that. But then again I'm a lying cunt so I might love it really. Who knows!

You Sir are a heathen. Strawberry Jam IS THE ONLY jam to have when partaking of a Cream Tea. The jam goes on first (for a Cornish Tea) followed by a good dollop of cream.

[Odessa Steps]

I'm with the young people, a generation with huge potential, just not with the hypocritical fuckwit hive mind on DS politics.

OK, you have inspired me to see things from a different perspective. There are many young people who the twats I describe and most of them dwell on DS. But then there are the great many young people who want to focus on their future and do well by themselves and for their families. I was wrong to generalise.

Hmmm... when you joined up here you still thought I was 20 year old student... just saying.

[Guest]

You guys can keep Wizzy here. at least if all his efforts are focused on Dogs it keeps him off all the other platforms he spams with this type of shite.

[wizzywick]

Fair point. Thanks for replying. I do see what you are saying. But do you not think that's where the perception of young people being the way I described comes from? I mean, that in my day (yeah, last century) we went out and mingled with lots of different people and we would sit in parks drinking cola until 2am in the morning discussing things or just putting the world to right. But we learned each others prejudices and accepted them.

Nowadays twitter attracts like minded people and of course that is fine, but it means the debate and the countering of a view is not being brought to the fore. It is great that we have moved on in some respects, but in other ways I think it's a form of regression. Just how I see it.

Only from those who believe twitter is the perfect example of young people everywhere.
I’m 28, so on the older side of the young people category, but I’m a socia media generation. We still go out and socialise, although we usually sat in a pub till 4am waffling shit and drinking pints. My best friend is a Tory voter, he’s also a transgender gay man bringing up a little girl with his husband.
We’re a more inclusive generation on the whole, of give you that. Being gay isn’t illegal now, and we celebrate their right to be equal. Racism is frowned upon by the majority, and we fight for equality for everyone. This was all fought for by the generations before us though, it’s your generation that should take the credit for the youngsters liberal-ness.

My generation did indeed achieve a great deal for equality. I sent a tweet to Monroe Bergdoff last week and it got over 100 likes because I simply said to her, after she said she is absolutely gobsmacked why gay men would support a party like the Conservatives. I simply said "Who are you to dictate as to how a gay man should think politically. Your stereotypical analysis is verging on homophobia." One person tweeted and said "Is homophobia, not verging". The issue I have with social media and the young, is their pushing of equality for certain groups of people, because in my view it makes them unequal by being singled out. Now, is a gay man equal to you? Yes. Is a black woman equal to me? Yes. Is a person from overseas equal to both of us? Yes. It matters not, which is why I use often perceived provocative language. I don't regard any group or ethnicity as different. So, this is why I comment on things and sometimes get chastised over my posts.

I regard everyone as equal. If someone calls someone a name out of ignorance I do not judge because we all do it. I have no issues with anybody, the only issues I struggle to come to terms with is being called things because someone has misunderstood what I was saying and never ever let me explain myself because I was labelled as something I have never been.

In my view though, I think we will, as a society, start alienating and causing frictions unintentionally by continuing to fight for the equalities that are, by law, already there. You can not ever change the mindset of some people, no matter how good intentioned and hopeful you are, but the only way we can make a difference is just accepting everybodies differences as normal and regarding everybody on equal terms, and that includes their point of view. Of course, you are at liberty not to accept the point of view or agree with it, but we must all learn to tolerate a persons right to hold it.

[wizzywick]

I'm with the young people, a generation with huge potential, just not with the hypocritical fuckwit hive mind on DS politics.

OK, you have inspired me to see things from a different perspective. There are many young people who the twats I describe and most of them dwell on DS. But then there are the great many young people who want to focus on their future and do well by themselves and for their families. I was wrong to generalise.

Hmmm... when you joined up here you still thought I was 20 year old student... just saying.

Yes I did, it must have been your youthful style of posting. I now realise you are actually a left wing soothsayer living in a magic shack in the middle of an enchanted forest.

[Odessa Steps]

Well, guesty will be over the moon to have witnessed your flounce due to my inflexibility over jam. I'm not overly inflexible though, as long as it isn't Strawberry jam, because I hate that. But then again I'm a lying cunt so I might love it really. Who knows!

You Sir are a heathen. Strawberry Jam IS THE ONLY jam to have when partaking of a Cream Tea. The jam goes on first (for a Cornish Tea) followed by a good dollop of cream.

It's only Strawberry for me... blackberry is full of seeds that get stuck in your teeth.

[Guest]

Wizzywick do you feel liberated now you away from digital spy forums? It can become all consuming.
But do you think you are at risk of replacing Digital spys all consumingness with that of other forums?

Just wanted to also say that I know some admirable young people heavily involved in the Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme and some who charity fundraise and check on elderly neighbours. So less generalisation please.

[Odessa Steps]

I'm with the young people, a generation with huge potential, just not with the hypocritical fuckwit hive mind on DS politics.

OK, you have inspired me to see things from a different perspective. There are many young people who the twats I describe and most of them dwell on DS. But then there are the great many young people who want to focus on their future and do well by themselves and for their families. I was wrong to generalise.

Hmmm... when you joined up here you still thought I was 20 year old student... just saying.

Yes I did, it must have been your youthful style of posting. I now realise you are actually a left wing soothsayer living in a magic shack in the middle of an enchanted forest.

Indeed... and from my crystal ball i can see you are a grumpy old geezer who works for a child hating Eastern European principality who catches your prey in big nets and disguises his cage and horses as an ice cream salesman.

[Guest]

why have you got your tongue so firmly up Wizzy's arse now Odie? have you sold out on your morals because you're worried the mass alerting they are doing on DS might result in your account being banned?

[wizzywick]

I'm with the young people, a generation with huge potential, just not with the hypocritical fuckwit hive mind on DS politics.

OK, you have inspired me to see things from a different perspective. There are many young people who the twats I describe and most of them dwell on DS. But then there are the great many young people who want to focus on their future and do well by themselves and for their families. I was wrong to generalise.

Hmmm... when you joined up here you still thought I was 20 year old student... just saying.

Yes I did, it must have been your youthful style of posting. I now realise you are actually a left wing soothsayer living in a magic shack in the middle of an enchanted forest.

Indeed... and from my crystal ball i can see you are a grumpy old geezer who works for a child hating Eastern European principality who catches your prey in big nets and disguises his cage and horses as an ice cream salesman.

Close! But no coconut.

[wizzywick]

Wizzywick do you feel liberated now you away from digital spy forums? It can become all consuming.
But do you think you are at risk of replacing Digital spys all consumingness with that of other forums?

Just wanted to also say that I know some admirable young people heavily involved in the Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme and some who charity fundraise and check on elderly neighbours. So less generalisation please.

I have already said I was wrong to generalise. Did you miss that post? As for your first point, yes, and the second part of your first point, no.

[NastyNickers]

Fair point. Thanks for replying. I do see what you are saying. But do you not think that's where the perception of young people being the way I described comes from? I mean, that in my day (yeah, last century) we went out and mingled with lots of different people and we would sit in parks drinking cola until 2am in the morning discussing things or just putting the world to right. But we learned each others prejudices and accepted them.

Nowadays twitter attracts like minded people and of course that is fine, but it means the debate and the countering of a view is not being brought to the fore. It is great that we have moved on in some respects, but in other ways I think it's a form of regression. Just how I see it.

Only from those who believe twitter is the perfect example of young people everywhere.
I’m 28, so on the older side of the young people category, but I’m a socia media generation. We still go out and socialise, although we usually sat in a pub till 4am waffling shit and drinking pints. My best friend is a Tory voter, he’s also a transgender gay man bringing up a little girl with his husband.
We’re a more inclusive generation on the whole, of give you that. Being gay isn’t illegal now, and we celebrate their right to be equal. Racism is frowned upon by the majority, and we fight for equality for everyone. This was all fought for by the generations before us though, it’s your generation that should take the credit for the youngsters liberal-ness.

My generation did indeed achieve a great deal for equality. I sent a tweet to Monroe Bergdoff last week and it got over 100 likes because I simply said to her, after she said she is absolutely gobsmacked why gay men would support a party like the Conservatives. I simply said "Who are you to dictate as to how a gay man should think politically. Your stereotypical analysis is verging on homophobia." One person tweeted and said "Is homophobia, not verging". The issue I have with social media and the young, is their pushing of equality for certain groups of people, because in my view it makes them unequal by being singled out. Now, is a gay man equal to you? Yes. Is a black woman equal to me? Yes. Is a person from overseas equal to both of us? Yes. It matters not, which is why I use often perceived provocative language. I don't regard any group or ethnicity as different. So, this is why I comment on things and sometimes get chastised over my posts.

I regard everyone as equal. If someone calls someone a name out of ignorance I do not judge because we all do it. I have no issues with anybody, the only issues I struggle to come to terms with is being called things because someone has misunderstood what I was saying and never ever let me explain myself because I was labelled as something I have never been.

In my view though, I think we will, as a society, start alienating and causing frictions unintentionally by continuing to fight for the equalities that are, by law, already there. You can not ever change the mindset of some people, no matter how good intentioned and hopeful you are, but the only way we can make a difference is just accepting everybodies differences as normal and regarding everybody on equal terms, and that includes their point of view. Of course, you are at liberty not to accept the point of view or agree with it, but we must all learn to tolerate a persons right to hold it.

You cannot claim to be for equality whilst ignoring the inequality shown to some sections of society. Gay men and women still suffer prejudice. Black and Asian people are still racially abused (on the flip side to that is the need to acknowledge the misogyny in the Asian community, and also the treatment of disadvantaged white girls).

There are still issues and whilst those issues exist there’s something to fight for. We cannot just accept that some people are racist cunts, if we accept them we allow them, and we should never allow anyone to be abused for whatever reason.