Elon Musk is buying Twitter again - for now

[Holly]

Saw this and loved it.

Elon Musk is now demanding the government make advertisers use his platform because that's what free speech looks like.

Looks like little birdie has been resuscitated

[Stooo]

Looks like little birdie has been resuscitated

He got summoned he wasn't just walking past, Musk may be a billionaire but he isn't Apple or Disney because removing Twitter from the two major phone software platforms would kill it off straight away. Meanwhile moderation has improved slightly and there aren't so many fucking nazis

[Cactus Jack]

On the downside Elon thinks revenge porn is a constitional right.

[Stooo]

On the downside Elon thinks revenge porn is a constitional right.

He can afford the lawyers which says much about Western society...

[Cactus Jack]

We now know - thanks to Elon Musk - That Republican campaigners were posting pictures of Hunter Biden's penis on Twitter that Joe Biden, as a private citizen, asked to be removed because posting naked pictures of another person without their consent is a violation of Twitter's terms of service.

What we don't know is what Donald Trump, as the actual head of government, asked to removed from Twitter.

If it was naked pictures of his children then fair enough - if it was naked pictures of Don Jnr or Eric then he should be actively applauded - but if it was just Tweets critical of his campaign or his Presidency that broke no laws and did not contravene Twitter's terms of service then that is a violation of the First Amendment.

[Cactus Jack]

You would think that having banned journalists for criticising him posting a link to publicly available information saying which city is jet is in "doxing" him Elon Musk would have scraped the bottom of barrel.

Not so.

Journalist Bari Weiss - one of two picked by Elon Musk to cover the non-event that was The Twitter Files (where Elon Musk defended doxing Hunter Biden) - was critical of Musk's decision, it accepted the BS that knowing where a plane was is the exact same as siccing a real life mob onto innocent Twitter users (which again is something Elon Musk has defended since taking over Twitter) but Weiss disagreed with Musk's arbitrary abuse of his position so at least that's half a point.

Against Weiss - those two things are not the same and most of the banned journalist didn't even post the link to the FCA publiclly available information. They had simply covered Twitters loss of revenue and Elon Musk's loss of his status as the world's richest man.

Naturally Musk wasn't going to take criticism and repeated the outright lie that information on the whereabouts of his private jet - effectively just knowing what city he was in - is the exact same as posting someone's exact location.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234649044/

Fun fact: Musk ran one of his "Twitter polls" in which he asked ONLY his followers if the journalists should be reinstated and whereas when a poll conducted in exactly the same way got Trump reinstated immediately this poll was first rerun and then - when the second poll also went against him - Musk just ignored it and continued to ban the journalists.

[Holly]

You would think that having banned journalists for criticising him posting a link to publicly available information saying which city is jet is in "doxing" him Elon Musk would have scraped the bottom of barrel.

Not so.

Journalist Bari Weiss - one of two picked by Elon Musk to cover the non-event that was The Twitter Files (where Elon Musk defended doxing Hunter Biden) - was critical of Musk's decision, it accepted the BS that knowing where a plane was is the exact same as siccing a real life mob onto innocent Twitter users (which again is something Elon Musk has defended since taking over Twitter) but Weiss disagreed with Musk's arbitrary abuse of his position so at least that's half a point.

Against Weiss - those two things are not the same and most of the banned journalist didn't even post the link to the FCA publiclly available information. They had simply covered Twitters loss of revenue and Elon Musk's loss of his status as the world's richest man.

Naturally Musk wasn't going to take criticism and repeated the outright lie that information on the whereabouts of his private jet - effectively just knowing what city he was in - is the exact same as posting someone's exact location.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234649044/

Fun fact: Musk ran one of his "Twitter polls" in which he asked ONLY his followers if the journalists should be reinstated and whereas when a poll conducted in exactly the same way got Trump reinstated immediately this poll was first rerun and then - when the second poll also went against him - Musk just ignored it and continued to ban the journalists.

No he didn't ignore it, he gave them a 7 days ban, but after a couple of polls, he reinstated those journalists rather than letting them wait out the 7 days. He did a lot better than the previous owner who wouldn't even dream of running a poll, He/they just perma banned accounts often for no reason other than for having a conservative view point. He allowed Twitter users to make the decision, which he honoured, and which I think is a pretty good thing.

Funny how the left is in an uproar and crying because a couple or three journalists were given a 7 days ban ( big fucking deal) yet where was that outrage when most of the right wing press, including the New York Post, and even a sitting President were permanently banned?
The hypocrisy once again is astonishing.

The unbanning came on Saturday after the accounts of several U.S. journalists were suspended following tweets about @ElonJet, an account that tracks Musk's private jet.
The people have spoken. Accounts who doxxed my location will have their suspension lifted now,” Musk tweeted. Doxxing refers to publicly revealing personal information about someone, which can be done with malicious intent. 

https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-mu ... s-twitter/

[Stooo]

You would think that having banned journalists for criticising him posting a link to publicly available information saying which city is jet is in "doxing" him Elon Musk would have scraped the bottom of barrel.

Not so.

Journalist Bari Weiss - one of two picked by Elon Musk to cover the non-event that was The Twitter Files (where Elon Musk defended doxing Hunter Biden) - was critical of Musk's decision, it accepted the BS that knowing where a plane was is the exact same as siccing a real life mob onto innocent Twitter users (which again is something Elon Musk has defended since taking over Twitter) but Weiss disagreed with Musk's arbitrary abuse of his position so at least that's half a point.

Against Weiss - those two things are not the same and most of the banned journalist didn't even post the link to the FCA publiclly available information. They had simply covered Twitters loss of revenue and Elon Musk's loss of his status as the world's richest man.

Naturally Musk wasn't going to take criticism and repeated the outright lie that information on the whereabouts of his private jet - effectively just knowing what city he was in - is the exact same as posting someone's exact location.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234649044/

Fun fact: Musk ran one of his "Twitter polls" in which he asked ONLY his followers if the journalists should be reinstated and whereas when a poll conducted in exactly the same way got Trump reinstated immediately this poll was first rerun and then - when the second poll also went against him - Musk just ignored it and continued to ban the journalists.

No he didn't ignore it, he gave them a 7 days ban, but after a couple of polls, he reinstated those journalists rather than letting them wait out the 7 days. He did a lot better than the previous owner who wouldn't even dream of running a poll, He/they just perma banned accounts often for no reason other than for having a conservative view point. He allowed Twitter users to make the decision, which he honoured, and which I think is a pretty good thing.

Funny how the left is in an uproar and crying because a couple or three journalists were given a 7 days ban ( big fucking deal) yet where was that outrage when most of the right wing press, including the New York Post, and even a sitting President were permanently banned?
The hypocrisy once again is astonishing.

The unbanning came on Saturday after the accounts of several U.S. journalists were suspended following tweets about @ElonJet, an account that tracks Musk's private jet.
The people have spoken. Accounts who doxxed my location will have their suspension lifted now,” Musk tweeted. Doxxing refers to publicly revealing personal information about someone, which can be done with malicious intent. 

https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-mu ... s-twitter/

He made the doxing up and perma'd them out of spite/tantrum. The Elon Plane account was simply posting publicly available documents from sites such as https://www.flightradar24.com and Elmo banned it out of butthurt, reinstated it, banned it again and then banned journalists for criticising it (including Keith Olbermann who mainly posts about rescue dogs FFS). Then questions started getting asked at the UN.

Space Karen is (on paper) mega rich but he isn't UN rich.

[Cactus Jack]

Putting a link to public website that shows where planes are is not doxxing. Whenever you're at the airport and use that app that shows where your plane is you're using the same database. Is that doxxing every passenger on the plane? Is it doxxing the pilot? The stewards and stewardesses?

But let's assume you do define that as doxxing, maybe because your divorce from reality has recently received a decree absolute, most of those journalist weren't doing that. They have committed the crime of reporting on just how badly Elon Musk is managing Twitter and just how much money he is losing doing so.

Bari Weiss is not a 'lefty' - she's as far from being a 'lefty' as I am from being a MAGAhat but even she can see that Elon Musk is abusing his authority on Twitter and driving the platform into the ground.

And not just reputationally - the retweet button stopped working for about 40% of all users yesterday for about 6 hours, just one of thousands of glitches going on every day.

[Holly]

Who cares really why they were given a temporary ban? So many conservatives were unfairly perma banned for fk all, often out of spite, for just having an opinion, or for simply stating the truth. Did you guys get upset about that?
Ban a couple of lefties journos and all hell breaks lose.
Had a right wing press member done the same to Musk and he had banned them, you would be laughing.

ETA, did the UN ever ask questions when the New York Post was banned before Elon took over? Of course they didn't.
Didn't you guys once say Twitter is a private company and they can do what ever they want? So why would the UN ask questions? It's got nothing to do with them.

[Stooo]

Who cares really why they were given a temporary ban? So many conservatives were unfairly perma banned for fk all, often out of spite, for just having an opinion, or for simply stating the truth. Did you guys get upset about that?
Ban a couple of lefties journos and all hell breaks lose.
Had a right wing press member done the same to Musk and he had banned them, you would be laughing.

ETA, did the UN ever ask questions when the New York Post was banned before Elon took over? Of course they didn't.
Didn't you guys once say Twitter is a private company and they can do what ever they want? So why would the UN ask questions? It's got nothing to do with them.

An article rather than the whole site. Yeah.

They were perma'd and Elmo decided to make this a pissing contest.

[Holly]

Who cares really why they were given a temporary ban? So many conservatives were unfairly perma banned for fk all, often out of spite, for just having an opinion, or for simply stating the truth. Did you guys get upset about that?
Ban a couple of lefties journos and all hell breaks lose.
Had a right wing press member done the same to Musk and he had banned them, you would be laughing.

ETA, did the UN ever ask questions when the New York Post was banned before Elon took over? Of course they didn't.
Didn't you guys once say Twitter is a private company and they can do what ever they want? So why would the UN ask questions? It's got nothing to do with them.

An article rather than the whole site. Yeah, I would say a rather important article, an article the majority of people had a right to know about, but was censured.

Yeah, the article that really mattered.

It wasn't just the NY Post, there were so many people like journalists and politicians who were suspended, it wasn't funny, but then again, you know that, just like I know that. There was so much corruption going on, it wasn't funny.
So many of the right wing media got suspended for telling the truth. To claim otherwise would be a lie. Why can't the left ever admit of wrong doing? Or at least admit what happens right now is exactly what they did before Elon took over? The left censured left right and center anything that didn't suit their agenda, end of. None of you complained, why would you?

Say the wrong thing, and bang, you were cancelled. Fuck this hypocrisy. I'm so sick of it. When are people ever going to be allowed to at least challenge again? That's how it used to work. When is freedom of speech ever going to be allowed again unless it comes from the left? Is that fair? Is that's what's called Democracy? Silence the "enemy"...? Sounds more like China or North Korea...and some of you seem to be quite happy with that.

Why does everything have to be left or right, black or white? There's a middle in between, but that
doesn't seem to count anymore. You're either a leftie, or you're an enemy. It's like what ever the left does, is the right thing, no questions allowed. How realistic is that? How can anyone buy into this?
I think this blind devotion will bite you all in your goolies one day.

[Cactus Jack]

Again - and it doesn't seem to penetrate - there were no terms or conditions of Twitters broken, Elon Musk just decided to ban the journalists for saying what an idiot he was.

Bari Weiss is a very right wing pundit and even she noticed how far out of line it was.

Literally both sides have called out Elon Musk on this BS - it's not a left or right issue

[Holly]

Again - and it doesn't seem to penetrate - there were no terms or conditions of Twitters broken, Elon Musk just decided to ban the journalists for saying what an idiot he was.

Bari Weiss is a very right wing pundit and even she noticed how far out of line it was.

Literally both sides have called out Elon Musk on this BS - it's not a left or right issue

He probably overreacted, yes, but since Twitter is a private company, I guess he can ban whomever he likes from his platform.

Did you ever question why Twitter banned Trump, a sitting President, but allowed the Ayatollah to remain? A man that wished Death to America? A man who incite hate, violence and disinformation?

[Jason]

Apparently he initially issued an edict that said they would ban any accounts actively promoting other platforms like Mastodon e.t.c.. which has now been (sort of) reversed which makes me wonder if the user exodus is actually a lot more than we're being led to believe.

He's also now put up a poll asking if people want him to step down as CEO and that he'll abide by the result, but he has a 'helpful' caveat that there's 'nobody else to take over' as well.