Over diagnosis of illness.

[random]

If your chance of catching heart disease is over 10% you will be advised to go on statins.

Routine tests for breast cancer detect cancer but not the type. We can live with slow growing cancers that will not kill us. Out of 11 women diagnosed with cancer the treatment will only necessary for 1 of those, the other 10 also get the same treatment, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, that they were no need to have had and suffer all the side effects from that treatment as you would expect.

50 odd % of men over 60 have prostrate cancer, the treatment can leave them incontinent and impotent, but once again prostrate cancer is also slow growing and unlikely to kill you.

The fact is there are millions of people who live with slow growing cancer and it will not kill them, but once you go for tests and it is detected, you will receive treatment and medication that is harmful to your body, and will certainly decrease your quality of life both mentally and physically.

I watched this programme last night and if you can watch I player, I highly recommend it, as it will explain all the above and more better than I can. It is called Are Health Tests a Good Idea?

It's only available for 15 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -good-idea

[Trapper John]

I saw it being advertised some weeks ago, never got around to watching it - not sure I want to.

I have to say that having watched my ex wife being destroyed as much by the treatment of her cancer, as the cancer itself, to the point where she said to me and my daughters that she wished she'd never had any treatment and let the cancer take it's course - I've got to agree with much of what you said.

I am also a great believer in mind over matter where health is concerned, I definitely believe you can 'think yourself' into illness and certainly make yourself a lot worse with worrying about it.

I wouldn't say it applies in every case, or even the majority but I'd say that in a lot of cases - ignorance can be bliss.

[Random]

That is just one small part of the programme TJ, it delves into all types of tests for different illnesses and tries to give an unbiased view of the pro's and cons of such tests. Bowel Cancer for instance, whilst having the test, the growth can be removed and is the easiest cancer to treat with the highest survival rate.

It is a shame so many people are suffering unnecessarily, after being diagnosed from these tests, not just them the families also.

How can NICE justify 10 women suffering for the chance of saving 1? men being made incontinent and impotent for receiving treatment they never needed. Putting people on statins with just a 1 in 10 chance of developing heart disease. meanwhile the makers of the drugs and treatments are getting rich from it. Dr Mosley (The presenter) had an 11% chance of developing heart disease, so could have gone on statins, the look on his face said it all. I don't think he'll be taking them anytime soon.

The programme is there for 15 days and it doesn't hurt to have a better perspective on the issue if you change your mind.

[toorisky]

If your chance of catching heart disease is over 10% you will be advised to go on statins.

Routine tests for breast cancer detect cancer but not the type. We can live with slow growing cancers that will not kill us. Out of 11 women diagnosed with cancer the treatment will only necessary for 1 of those, the other 10 also get the same treatment, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, that they were no need to have had and suffer all the side effects from that treatment as you would expect.

50 odd % of men over 60 have prostrate cancer, the treatment can leave them incontinent and impotent, but once again prostrate cancer is also slow growing and unlikely to kill you.

The fact is there are millions of people who live with slow growing cancer and it will not kill them, but once you go for tests and it is detected, you will receive treatment and medication that is harmful to your body, and will certainly decrease your quality of life both mentally and physically.

I watched this programme last night and if you can watch I player, I highly recommend it, as it will explain all the above and more better than I can. It is called Are Health Tests a Good Idea?

It's only available for 15 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -good-idea

Sorry, but this isn't true. The cancer is analysed and it depends on the grade and size and various other factors as to what treatment you get. For example of the four women diagnosed the same day as me, only I got chemo and radio, the other three did not. Another example, my father-in-law has prostrate cancer but having no treatment.

This is dangerous scaremongering, if I hadn't gone for the mammogram that day, I would probably be dead now as my cancer was small and deep below the surface but very aggressive and by the time I had noticed a lump it may well have been too late for me.

[Random]

If your chance of catching heart disease is over 10% you will be advised to go on statins.

Routine tests for breast cancer detect cancer but not the type. We can live with slow growing cancers that will not kill us. Out of 11 women diagnosed with cancer the treatment will only necessary for 1 of those, the other 10 also get the same treatment, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, that they were no need to have had and suffer all the side effects from that treatment as you would expect.

50 odd % of men over 60 have prostrate cancer, the treatment can leave them incontinent and impotent, but once again prostrate cancer is also slow growing and unlikely to kill you.

The fact is there are millions of people who live with slow growing cancer and it will not kill them, but once you go for tests and it is detected, you will receive treatment and medication that is harmful to your body, and will certainly decrease your quality of life both mentally and physically.

I watched this programme last night and if you can watch I player, I highly recommend it, as it will explain all the above and more better than I can. It is called Are Health Tests a Good Idea?

It's only available for 15 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -good-idea

Sorry, but this isn't true. The cancer is analysed and it depends on the grade and size and various other factors as to what treatment you get. For example of the four women diagnosed the same day as me, only I got chemo and radio, the other three did not. Another example, my father-in-law has prostrate cancer but having no treatment.

This is dangerous scaremongering, if I hadn't gone for the mammogram that day, I would probably be dead now as my cancer was small and deep below the surface but very aggressive and by the time I had noticed a lump it may well have been too late for me.

Did you watch the programme?

If there is something you do not agree with, the best thing you can do is contact Dr Mosely as to why you think his findings (and others) are incorrect.

http://www.michaelmosley.co.uk/contact.html

[Foxy]

If your chance of catching heart disease is over 10% you will be advised to go on statins.

Routine tests for breast cancer detect cancer but not the type. We can live with slow growing cancers that will not kill us. Out of 11 women diagnosed with cancer the treatment will only necessary for 1 of those, the other 10 also get the same treatment, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, that they were no need to have had and suffer all the side effects from that treatment as you would expect.

50 odd % of men over 60 have prostrate cancer, the treatment can leave them incontinent and impotent, but once again prostrate cancer is also slow growing and unlikely to kill you.

The fact is there are millions of people who live with slow growing cancer and it will not kill them, but once you go for tests and it is detected, you will receive treatment and medication that is harmful to your body, and will certainly decrease your quality of life both mentally and physically.

I watched this programme last night and if you can watch I player, I highly recommend it, as it will explain all the above and more better than I can. It is called Are Health Tests a Good Idea?

It's only available for 15 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -good-idea

#

I'm sorry I missed that programme. Too late now but it sounded very interesting.

[rollup]

There's a book I read part of online years ago and can't remember the name of it or the author or find anything about it now but it was about one of big pharmas top men of the twentieth century.
His life ambition was to develop a drug that would be be prescribed to everyone before they had anything wrong with them.
It's thought that statins could be it or as near as damn it.
Statins are suspected of causing diabetes too.
I can't take them as I have bad reactions to them but only since developing T2 diabetes after being on statins for over a year.
But I managed to get the bad cholesterol down and the good cholesterol slowly going up by eating a low carb high fat diet and lowered my blood pressure too at the same time.
My diabetes is almost none existent now.
The big drug industry is very corrupt.
Scientists professors etc that speak out 0f company line have their careers destroyed.

[rollup]

Why are so Many Healthy People Dying from the Flu After Receiving the Flu Vaccine Shot?

In the video above, he explains that the flu shot causes Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and that the flu shot is not very effective in preventing the flu. He also explains that the CDC does not follow the law for vaccines in requiring long-term safety testing for the influenza vaccine like they do with other vaccines, as it is impossible to test a vaccine that changes every year. So the flu vaccine is basically an experimental vaccine that they want to give out to 300 million people every year. There are also no studies showing the safety of giving the flu vaccine to the same person every single year. However, Dr. Geier points out that the CDC is in the business of distributing flu vaccines, because they represent 300 million doses per year, whereas all the childhood vaccines together only number 20 million.

Dr. Geier goes on to explain that flu is “the wrong thing to vaccinate against” because you have to keep re-vaccinating against it every year, unlike childhood infectious diseases, such as smallpox, that are only vaccinated for once. Dr. Geier points out how ridiculous it is spend billions of dollars on a vaccine that might, at its best, save about 50 lives a year, when there are far more serious problems causing death that are more worthy of that kind of expenditure.
More>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-are-so-many-healthy-people-dying-from-the-flu-after-receiving-the-flu-vaccine-shot/5485757

[Foxy]

Well, I'm on statins and I have a flu jab. Things ain't looking good for me

[Vicky]

I had my flu jag today.

I was asked if I'd ever suffered from some disease and i said what's that?

She said if you don't know what it is, you've never suffered from it.

[random]

If your chance of catching heart disease is over 10% you will be advised to go on statins.

Routine tests for breast cancer detect cancer but not the type. We can live with slow growing cancers that will not kill us. Out of 11 women diagnosed with cancer the treatment will only necessary for 1 of those, the other 10 also get the same treatment, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, that they were no need to have had and suffer all the side effects from that treatment as you would expect.

50 odd % of men over 60 have prostrate cancer, the treatment can leave them incontinent and impotent, but once again prostrate cancer is also slow growing and unlikely to kill you.

The fact is there are millions of people who live with slow growing cancer and it will not kill them, but once you go for tests and it is detected, you will receive treatment and medication that is harmful to your body, and will certainly decrease your quality of life both mentally and physically.

I watched this programme last night and if you can watch I player, I highly recommend it, as it will explain all the above and more better than I can. It is called Are Health Tests a Good Idea?

It's only available for 15 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -good-idea

#

I'm sorry I missed that programme. Too late now but it sounded very interesting.

here it is

[Random]

Why are so Many Healthy People Dying from the Flu After Receiving the Flu Vaccine Shot?

In the video above, he explains that the flu shot causes Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and that the flu shot is not very effective in preventing the flu. He also explains that the CDC does not follow the law for vaccines in requiring long-term safety testing for the influenza vaccine like they do with other vaccines, as it is impossible to test a vaccine that changes every year. So the flu vaccine is basically an experimental vaccine that they want to give out to 300 million people every year. There are also no studies showing the safety of giving the flu vaccine to the same person every single year. However, Dr. Geier points out that the CDC is in the business of distributing flu vaccines, because they represent 300 million doses per year, whereas all the childhood vaccines together only number 20 million.

Dr. Geier goes on to explain that flu is “the wrong thing to vaccinate against” because you have to keep re-vaccinating against it every year, unlike childhood infectious diseases, such as smallpox, that are only vaccinated for once. Dr. Geier points out how ridiculous it is spend billions of dollars on a vaccine that might, at its best, save about 50 lives a year, when there are far more serious problems causing death that are more worthy of that kind of expenditure.
More>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-are-so-many-healthy-people-dying-from-the-flu-after-receiving-the-flu-vaccine-shot/5485757

The flu jab is dead jack, which means you won't get any flu symptoms from having it.

[Lady Murasaki]

There's a book I read part of online years ago and can't remember the name of it or the author or find anything about it now but it was about one of big pharmas top men of the twentieth century.
His life ambition was to develop a drug that would be be prescribed to everyone before they had anything wrong with them.
It's thought that statins could be it or as near as damn it.
Statins are suspected of causing diabetes too.
I can't take them as I have bad reactions to them but only since developing T2 diabetes after being on statins for over a year.
But I managed to get the bad cholesterol down and the good cholesterol slowly going up by eating a low carb high fat diet and lowered my blood pressure too at the same time.
My diabetes is almost none existent now.
The big drug industry is very corrupt.
Scientists professors etc that speak out 0f company line have their careers destroyed.

Although some medicines are vital some are definitely given out willy nilly. The mistake some GPs make is that they think that's all patients want.
I decided to get off everything, particularly painkillers, earlier this year- which I've been taking in one form or another since 2008. With other healthier lifestyle changes I feel fine, been off the tapentadol for 8 months.

[Gabby]

There's a new Viagra drug just been made available over the counter due to popular demand........ it's called Mycoxaflopin!

[Trapper John]

There's a new Viagra drug just been made available over the counter due to popular demand........ it's called Mycoxaflopin!

I reckon it needs a nice trendy, catchy name for the mass market sell - I suggest 'Flag Pole'