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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby McAz » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:58 pm

measurer wrote:Tooo greasy for me. :pukeup:

Yes, duck tends to be. I can't say I bother with it much.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Snookerballs » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:06 am

Major wrote:Had a nice surprise today.

Going back a few weeks we shot quite a few duck, I took 12 into my fav Chinky as a present for them cus they look after us very well.
I had only just come in this afternoon when a young Chinese lad rang the bell, he handed me a box and said the contents were from HIS restaurant which he named, he was gone so quick I did not have chance to speak with him, he seemed shy, strange.
Inside was a note explaining he is the great grandson of my old mate Chicken George and thanking me for the 12 duck and being a good friend to George.
Also there were 6 frozen half ducks perfectly dressed with pancakes and sauce in 6 individual foil containers.

I remember him now, I met him at Georges funeral last year, believe it or not it was a happy funeral.
In all the years I knew George he would never tell me his age, he just laffed when I mentioned it.

A nice surprise.


Wotta load of rubbish Starbold.

Are you complying with the Food Safety Act 1990 and regulation 178/2002.

supplying meat "in Fur" or "In Feather" (Game), even in small quantities for resale in meals to restaurants pubs etc , has to be registered with the local Authority.
and the game will be subject to traceability of origin, regulation 178/2002
not complying with the regulations means the local authority can close down the restaurant .
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:09 am

He isn't bright enough to have made his story about fish.
No self respecting restaurant would take wild duck.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:15 am

He so wants to be seen as a colonel blimp type but never gets beyond Mister Magoo.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Major » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:36 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:He isn't bright enough to have made his story about fish.
No self respecting restaurant would take wild duck.


You do talk crap Rolly and expect people to believe you.

Try going to markets around Norfolk and see the interest in mallard, people buying as many as they can, they are not for private use.
Peking duck is related to the mallard family.

Game dealers go around most significant shoots during the season buying up duck, geese, pigeon, pheasant, partridge and so on, where doest thou think it all goes.

Greasy, not if ya do it Chinese style, dark crispy skin.

When did any of you last eat duck or rabbit or venison?????????????????????

Rolly ya know bugga all but like to think ya do.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Snookerballs » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:14 pm

Starbold, if what you are saying is true then the Game Hunters and Restaurants are breaking the law.
Game has to come from a correctly sourced and licensed Game Handling Establishment

All meats sold to the Public through legitimate outlets are subject to traceability , Re the Horsemeat Scandal of Yesteryear .


http://traceabilitytraining.food.gov.uk/module9/overview_1.html#.WmhnuVPLi1s
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Trapper John » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:20 pm

Just looked at this thread, with all the comments about health issues was I the only one who saw 'perfectly dressed duck'?

Usually 'dressed' means prepared as well doesn't it? I mean you don't buy dressed crab and then are expected to remove the dead mans fingers are you.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:29 pm

Major wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:He isn't bright enough to have made his story about fish.
No self respecting restaurant would take wild duck.


You do talk crap Rolly and expect people to believe you.

Try going to markets around Norfolk and see the interest in mallard, people buying as many as they can, they are not for private use.
Peking duck is related to the mallard family.

Game dealers go around most significant shoots during the season buying up duck, geese, pigeon, pheasant, partridge and so on, where doest thou think it all goes.

Greasy, not if ya do it Chinese style, dark crispy skin.

When did any of you last eat duck or rabbit or venison?????????????????????

Rolly ya know bugga all but like to think ya do.

You mean those licensed and registered game dealers?
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:34 pm

1. WHAT THE REGULATIONS REQUIRE (A SUMMARY FLOW CHART)
1. Do you shoot wild game for your own
private consumption
or very occasionally
supply it in fur or in feather for private
consumption?

Yes You are not a food business operator, so the regulations do not apply.
For more information see private domestic consumption
No
2. Do you shoot or arrange shoots and is your
onward supply limited to small quantities of
game in fur or in feather going directly to
the final consumer or to local retailers?
Yes You are not a food business under the regulations but you are responsible for
supplying safe food under Regulation 178/2002. Rules on food traceability may be
interpreted by your Local Authority as a need for your premises and/or vehicles to be
registered so that action can be quickly taken in the event of a food incident.

For more information see primary producers and the primary producer exemption,
final consumer, retail exemptions, traceability, FBO’s responsibilities,
registration and HACCP.
No
3 Do you shoot alone or arrange shoots
with/for others to supply game in fur or in
feather to an approved game handling
establishment (AGHE?)
Yes • You need to be registered with your Local Authority as a food business and to
comply with general hygiene requirements for primary production and associated
operations (this includes any vehicles you use when you are supplying an AGHE
and your game larder if you use it to store game before it goes to an AGHE);
Any carcases taken to/picked up by an AGHE must have undergone a ‘trained person’
initial examination with (for large wild game) a numbered declaration attached;
No
4. Do you operate a transport business
collecting game in fur or feather from
shoots for delivery to (or pick-up by) an
AGHE - with or without your own game
storage facility?
Yes • You need to be registered with your Local Authority as a food business and, even
though you are not a primary producer, you must comply with general hygiene
provisions for primary production and associated operations (covering vehicles,
game larders and collection centres);
• The AGHE needs to receive the ‘trained person’ documentation completed at the
shoot to present for official inspection, so you must make sure it is with the
carcases when you receive them and that you pass the documentation to the
AGHE when you deliver (or when the AGHE collects).
For more information see FBO’s responsibilities, registration, transport, game
larders, traceability, the trained person and consignment to other MSs
No
5 Do you :
• shoot game which you prepare into game
meat yourself and which you then supply in
small quantities direct to final consumers or
to local retailers that directly supply the
meat to final consumers?
• Prepare game meat for sale from your own
retail outlet?
Yes • You need to be registered with your Local Authority as a food business and, even
though you are not required to become an approved game handling
establishment, as a supplier of prepared wild game meat (even if supply is in
small quantities) you must comply with general hygiene requirements and have in
place a food safety management procedure based on HACCP principles.
NB The requirements are adapted where private dwelling houses or
temporary/moveable premises are being used. For example, a separate processing
area is required for plucking, skinning and eviscerating carcases.
For more information see hunters and the hunter exemption, retail exemptions,
FBO’s responsibilities, registration, HACCP, game larders and traceability
No
6. Is your main business preparing game meat
(from bought-in carcases) which you then
sell onward to wholesale and retail
customers?
Yes You are a food business and instead of registering with your Local Authority, you must:
• contact the Food Standards Agency Operations Group about obtaining
approval as an Approved Game Handling Establishment and be subject to
official veterinary controls;
• comply with general hygiene requirements and have in place a food safety
management procedure based on HACCP principles;
• only accept game that has been examined by a trained person.
For more information see FBO’s responsibilities, approved game handling
establishments, traceability, HACCP and the trained person. https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/f ... de0611.pdf
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:50 pm

I doubt this imaginary restaurant has an imaginary game larder so would be preparing the imaginary ducks in close proximity to none game food.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:54 pm

As of 1st January 2006 it became a legal requirement for shot deer to be stored at 7°C or below and for shot 'small game' (i.e. game birds) to be stored at 4°C or below. If you are selling game to a game dealer or supplying other customers with game you need a game larder or cold room. Once your game larder is installed you will need to register with your local authority as a food business under the new legislation.

Has the Chinese been closed down yet?
Why would a successful business man take these wild and dangerous chances or is it just a real dump?
Filthy kitchen crawling with lice from game birds ... worms etc?
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:06 pm

What were the ducks shot with?
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Major » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:17 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:What were the ducks shot with?



The same as most duck are shot with, candy floss..

Before ya start on about lead poisoning forget it.

You only get odd bits of lead which you spit out at the classy bird sitting opposite you hoping it lands in her cleavage and then gallantly, as a gentleman does is offer to get it out for her., most game birds, rabbits have very few bits of shot in them. lol lol lol

Glad to edificate thee.
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Major » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:32 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:As of 1st January 2006 it became a legal requirement for shot deer to be stored at 7°C or below and for shot 'small game' (i.e. game birds) to be stored at 4°C or below. If you are selling game to a game dealer or supplying other customers with game you need a game larder or cold room. Once your game larder is installed you will need to register with your local authority as a food business under the new legislation.

Has the Chinese been closed down yet?
Why would a successful business man take these wild and dangerous chances or is it just a real dump?
Filthy kitchen crawling with lice from game birds ... worms etc?


Let me advise you of the really of things Rolly.

We can all Googull stuff but let us deal with real life,

I do not know how many pigeon are shot per year in UK but my mate Micky now shoots about 12000, yes 12 thousand and a unknown to me quantity of ducks which he throws into chest freezers in his garage,, he phones the game dealer who helps him dig them out using small spades as they are SOLID and mixed up, they agree on a count and set price depending on scarcity or not.
Someone is eating this stuff and when was the last time you were ill from eating such?????

Pigeon feed off the fat of the land and ducks do not do bad either.

Remember this, DO ANY OF US REALLY KNOW THAT WHICH WE ARE EATING????
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Re: Nice Surprise

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:32 pm

Species Shot Size
Partridge #6 / #7
Pheasant #5 / #6 / #7
Grouse #6 / #7
Pigeon #6 / #7
Mallard #4 / #5 *
Geese BB/ #1/ #3 *

Note that lead shot may not be used to shoot wildfowl inEnglandandWalesor in certain areas ofScotland. See here for details. If using steel shot, it is advised to use a shot two sizes large than suggested.

Always ensure that your gun is proved for the selected cartridge and has the correct chamber length. Old English guns may have 2.5” chambers. Cartridges longer than 2.5” (65mm) must not be used in these guns. Only guns bearing a steel shot (fleur de lys) proof mark should be used to shoot high performance steel shot cartridges. If you have any doubts, see a competent gunsmith.


You just showed your complete ignorance of shooting and hunting matters with that answer.
An experienced shooter would not have even mentioned lead shot.
You would have answered with shot size too.
You're a complete fraud.
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