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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby jp761 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:10 pm

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jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.
When it comes to ultra expensive stuff you'll need a massive sodding room because every aspect of the set-up will be very large in size, the speakers etc Once someone has paid thousands for one piece of equipment all the kit the Hi-Fi chain will need to be ultra expensive unless the person is a fool. If someone does pair up say a 10K Amp, with averagely priced speakers it will be a complete an utter waste of money. On the whole a set-up is only as good as the weakest piece of kit in the chain.

Regarding level of benefits as price increases you're pretty much right there, as an example if you compare a £200 pair of speakers with a £600/£800 pair, a decent improvement in overall sound will be noticed. But £2000 vs £3000, the improvements wouldn't be as noticeable "especially" for the average listener. Some people have a "trained" ear and notice nuances your average person probably wouldn't, sound engineers and speaker designers for example.
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Dimples » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:23 pm

I wouldn't like to be without my external battery pack when traveling. :awesome:
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Avon Barksdale » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:09 pm

jp761 wrote:
Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.
When it comes to ultra expensive stuff you'll need a massive sodding room because every aspect of the set-up will be very large in size, the speakers etc Once someone has paid thousands for one piece of equipment all the kit the Hi-Fi chain will need to be ultra expensive unless the person is a fool. If someone does pair up say a 10K Amp, with averagely priced speakers it will be a complete an utter waste of money. On the whole a set-up is only as good as the weakest piece of kit in the chain.

Regarding level of benefits as price increases you're pretty much right there, as an example if you compare a £200 pair of speakers with a £600/£800 pair, a decent improvement in overall sound will be noticed. But £2000 vs £3000, the improvements wouldn't be as noticeable "especially" for the average listener. Some people have a "trained" ear and notice nuances your average person probably wouldn't, sound engineers and speaker designers for example.


Yes, that all makes perfect sense. I've wondered for the average listener if some of the "benefit" is psychological rather than physiological with the high end stuff.

Dimples wrote:I wouldn't like to be without my external battery pack when traveling. :awesome:


Electric wheelchair is it?

Wait, when did you get back? Hello missus!
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Dimples » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:24 pm

Avon Barksdale wrote:
jp761 wrote:
Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.
When it comes to ultra expensive stuff you'll need a massive sodding room because every aspect of the set-up will be very large in size, the speakers etc Once someone has paid thousands for one piece of equipment all the kit the Hi-Fi chain will need to be ultra expensive unless the person is a fool. If someone does pair up say a 10K Amp, with averagely priced speakers it will be a complete an utter waste of money. On the whole a set-up is only as good as the weakest piece of kit in the chain.

Regarding level of benefits as price increases you're pretty much right there, as an example if you compare a £200 pair of speakers with a £600/£800 pair, a decent improvement in overall sound will be noticed. But £2000 vs £3000, the improvements wouldn't be as noticeable "especially" for the average listener. Some people have a "trained" ear and notice nuances your average person probably wouldn't, sound engineers and speaker designers for example.


Yes, that all makes perfect sense. I've wondered for the average listener if some of the "benefit" is psychological rather than physiological with the high end stuff.

Dimples wrote:I wouldn't like to be without my external battery pack when traveling. :awesome:


Electric wheelchair is it?

Wait, when did you get back? Hello missus!


Hello there!

I dropped by a few weeks ago to say "hi" and then again more recently. I've not been spending all that much time on forums for the past couple of years or so... This place seems very different in many ways - with lots of new names. I hope you are well! :wubbers:
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Avon Barksdale » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:32 pm

Dimples wrote:
Hello there!

I dropped by a few weeks ago to say "hi" and then again more recently. I've not been spending all that much time on forums for the past couple of years or so... This place seems very different in many ways - with lots of new names. I hope you are well! :wubbers:


Blimey, it's been ages! Nice to see you posting again.

Yeah, this place has gone a bit Pete Tong. All these posters from DS have invaded the place. Don't tell anyone but they're all a little strange.

I doing well thanks (except for maybe dying of chickenpox. Don't ask. It's a long story.)

I'm off home but hope to catch with you again soon!
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Dimples » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:35 pm

Avon Barksdale wrote:
Dimples wrote:
Hello there!

I dropped by a few weeks ago to say "hi" and then again more recently. I've not been spending all that much time on forums for the past couple of years or so... This place seems very different in many ways - with lots of new names. I hope you are well! :wubbers:


Blimey, it's been ages! Nice to see you posting again.

Yeah, this place has gone a bit Pete Tong. All these posters from DS have invaded the place. Don't tell anyone but they're all a little strange.

I doing well thanks (except for maybe dying of chickenpox. Don't ask. It's a long story.)

I'm off home but hope to catch with you again soon!


Yes indeedy! Hope the chickenpox doesn't get you! See you later! :Hiya:
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby jp761 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:17 pm

Avon Barksdale wrote:
jp761 wrote:
Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.
When it comes to ultra expensive stuff you'll need a massive sodding room because every aspect of the set-up will be very large in size, the speakers etc Once someone has paid thousands for one piece of equipment all the kit the Hi-Fi chain will need to be ultra expensive unless the person is a fool. If someone does pair up say a 10K Amp, with averagely priced speakers it will be a complete an utter waste of money. On the whole a set-up is only as good as the weakest piece of kit in the chain.

Regarding level of benefits as price increases you're pretty much right there, as an example if you compare a £200 pair of speakers with a £600/£800 pair, a decent improvement in overall sound will be noticed. But £2000 vs £3000, the improvements wouldn't be as noticeable "especially" for the average listener. Some people have a "trained" ear and notice nuances your average person probably wouldn't, sound engineers and speaker designers for example.


Yes, that all makes perfect sense. I've wondered for the average listener if some of the "benefit" is psychological rather than physiological with the high end stuff.

Dimples wrote:I wouldn't like to be without my external battery pack when traveling. :awesome:


Electric wheelchair is it?

Wait, when did you get back? Hello missus!
Yeah and most average listeners just won't have the ability or inclination to spot the subtle differences in sound quality in the really expensive stuff.

Their feeling will be more about the knowledge that something is ultra expensive, the listeners mind will be thinking this must sound frigging awesome before they even hear it. And once they do hear it "this is frigging awesome" will no doubt be their exact thoughts.
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Stooo » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:12 pm

Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.


Bose made a fortune out of the status symbol market.
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby jra » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:33 pm

Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.


I think you are right.

For a top of the range Krell/Martin Logan system we'll be talking I would estimate at least 50k.

Have you seen the weight of some of these Krell units.

http://www.krellonline.com/stereo-amps.html

I want one of these as well.

http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/turntables/
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Avon Barksdale » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:21 pm

jra wrote:
Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.


I think you are right.

For a top of the range Krell/Martin Logan system we'll be talking I would estimate at least 50k.

Have you seen the weight of some of these Krell units.

http://www.krellonline.com/stereo-amps.html

I want one of these as well.

http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/turntables/


£50k? That's mad but I guess if you have the money it's all relative. Definitely 1% er territory though.

Why are those things so heavy. It can't be the weight of the components surely. Something to do with materials for heat control maybe?

Those turntables look amazing. I have lots of vinyl from my youth which have been gathering dust in my loft for years. I always thought I would convert them to a digital version but was far too lazy it turns out.
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby jp761 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:34 pm

Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:
Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.


I think you are right.

For a top of the range Krell/Martin Logan system we'll be talking I would estimate at least 50k.

Have you seen the weight of some of these Krell units.

http://www.krellonline.com/stereo-amps.html

I want one of these as well.

http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/turntables/


£50k? That's mad but I guess if you have the money it's all relative. Definitely 1% er territory though.

Why are those things so heavy. It can't be the weight of the components surely. Something to do with materials for heat control maybe?

Those turntables look amazing. I have lots of vinyl from my youth which have been gathering dust in my loft for years. I always thought I would convert them to a digital version but was far too lazy it turns out.
Yeah bud, heatsink and casing is a lot of it to help cancel out vibrations and such and a large Toroidal Transformer.
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby jra » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:04 am

Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:
Avon Barksdale wrote:
jra wrote:I want some Krell stuff.

https://www.oxfordaudio.co.uk/shop/brand/Krell

Anybody feeling generous by making a donation.

This is serious high end audio, big time.

Martin Logan speakers as well.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/m ... ctromotion


Whoa. Those are expensive.

Do you think they are worth the money though for a home set-up even if a person could afford them? Sometimes I wonder if things like this are more status symbol than anything else. There must be diminishing utility on a huge scale once you get passed a certain level to the benefit say a £10,000 system has over a £1,000 one given the capability of the human ear.


I think you are right.

For a top of the range Krell/Martin Logan system we'll be talking I would estimate at least 50k.

Have you seen the weight of some of these Krell units.

http://www.krellonline.com/stereo-amps.html

I want one of these as well.

http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/turntables/


£50k? That's mad but I guess if you have the money it's all relative. Definitely 1% er territory though.

Why are those things so heavy. It can't be the weight of the components surely. Something to do with materials for heat control maybe?

Those turntables look amazing. I have lots of vinyl from my youth which have been gathering dust in my loft for years. I always thought I would convert them to a digital version but was far too lazy it turns out.


The Orbe is pretty top of the range cutting edge in terms of vinyl playback technology, but you won't get the best out of it unless you put a pretty decent pre-amp and main amp (e.g. monoblocs) in front of it, plus high quality speakers.

The Orbe alone will set you back £2500 +

https://www.whathifi.com/michell/orbe-setecnoarm/review

But like you implied, this is stuff for lottery winners.
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby measurer » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:13 pm

I want the Amazon Alexa......sounds like my kind of gadget! :twirl:
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby jp761 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:26 pm

measurer wrote:I want the Amazon Alexa......sounds like my kind of gadget! :twirl:
You mean the Amazon Echo featuring the delectable sounding Alexa. :gigglesnshit:
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Re: Electronics/Gadgets you own and love. Items you want.

Postby Keyser » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:38 pm

measurer wrote:I want the Amazon Alexa......sounds like my kind of gadget! :twirl:


If I got one the bitch would undoubtedly ignore me.

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