Si_Crewe wrote:Odessa Steps wrote:What a load of bollocks.... it was a little smeary whine at liberals and lefties... Sorry to say if that's the way it's being played then it's open season on everyone... even those with a thin skin
I wonder if the reason left wing people get so defensive about this stuff is because the majority of the more insidious madness seems to originate in groups affiliated with the left wing?
I mean, there's plenty of right wing extremism going around but, as a rule, it tends to be condemned by everybody, including moderate right-wingers.
It seems like it's only the extremist stuff connected with left wing groups that people refuse to denounce.
I wonder if that's because people genuinely don't want to believe that stuff IS crazy or whether they're just reluctant to admit that anything bad might be linked to an ideology they approve of?
I don't disagree, but on the other side of the spectrum, there's ideologies so far embedded in ignorance that it's "more of the same" without any taste for change where it's needed, and then chucking the toys out whenever the sown is reaped from this stagnant belief that what worked one, two, three decades ago will work now.
It's foolish to pretend it's just those verging on the left that like to ignore things conveniently when it poses a danger to their ideological outlook. Those on the right do it over and over, one example in my mind seems to be drug prohibition (I can't for the life of me see the benefit in this expensive moral exercise of cannabis prohibition), or the protection of 'sacred' institutions (e.g. Catholic Church as opposed to any other bollocks religious institution), some aspects to poverty and the economy (trickle down economics, my arse) and genuine areas of social justice and equity.
Left or right, it's all born out of this ridiculous inability so many have to stick to their guns on ideology rather than what is actually beneficial. Ignoring 'experts' or solid, reviewed advice in order to persevere with ridiculous election promises (vague as they are) or for the benefit of some interest group that has invested heavily in whichever political party seems to be ruling the roost.
It's easy to see why people have swarmed towards the like of Trump - they've been screwed over, it's easy to see how and why - but then you realise that in order to stick it to the political elite that have taken the piss for far too long, you're backing up a piss-shit barely-articulate populist who will say the most inane and insane crap and get a roaring response. Democracy's a wonderful thing, but it's fucking awful when you've got a population that retrieve their opinions from sensationalist pissrag newspapapers or fucking Facebook "shares". It's not their fault - it's down to an education system that tells rather than teaches, or in many respects, fails to have any impact at all. It's no different from the days of the Church holding all the social sway because their congregation were too pig-shit ignorant to be able to argue back and decide for themselves (and the ridiculous notion of heresy and blasphemy - which we seem to have developed political equivalents for now). Not to mention politics as a whole becoming more like an episode of fucking Big Brother rather than elected representatives arguing sensibly and with authority over pressing issues of the day. Nobody knows if anything of any fucking sense was said in the House of Commons debate today, but there's over 100K "likes" for the fucking video clip of Corbyn and May jesting during the debate over some fucker's surname...