How the far right spin a tragedy

[Guest]

https://aliberallife.wordpress.com/2017 ... n-tragedy/

The far right are in full swing on social media. The fire at Grenfell Tower is a human tragedy, it’s a tragedy that has devastated the lives of a group of people that they normally like to vilify, Muslims, the poor, lefties, refugees .. foreigners. Their reaction has been predictable displaying a visceral need to divide society whilst fulfilling their followers need to have a hate figure that often is the weakest in society, the group with the least ability to get their voice heard.

I was asked this week why I share their hate, there is a simple answer hate should not be ignored, it should not be swept under the carpet .. it should be challenged. Failing to challenge hate allows those who peddle it to do so without having to justify it, if they refuse to justify it, if they can not justify it then they show themselves to nothing other than click bait for those who take comfort in blaming the “other’.

On the morning after the fire as people are still looking for their friend and relatives, still standing in the street in their pyjamas looking at the wreck of their homes the message on the far right was that this was about race and terrorism.

Why do they do this? Is it a need to find a reason for a tragedy that is not to do with money, human error or short sighted actions? Or is it a need to reinforce their beliefs through any tragedy that occurs? Or is just hate, a hate of people who are the same as them?

If they can blame people who are not the same colour or religion as them, can they then assume believe it will not happen to them. That they are safe from tragedy.

[McAz]

Yes, the filth on here have employed similar deflective tactics.

[Lambert]

Corpses still lie in the smoldering ruins and already the political mudslinging from all sides has begun. People really are quite crap at times.

[Si_Crewe]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

[Guest]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

RBKC has been Tory for decades.
It was Tory when they built the block in 1972.
How many council tower blocks in Hackney have been cladded by the council with flammable panels? Clue it is less than one.
So why didn't the RBKC council use the £2 more panels?
Where is the RBKC response to this tragedy?
Once again your lack of knowledge of London politics shames you.

[Red Okktober]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

Some people have made a right show of themselves over this tragedy. I can't recall a tragedy/incident ever, where so much rabid venom has been directed at a political party. For sure. a political party will occasionally crop up when discussing such things, but usually people just talk of 'the authorities' local council', 'the police' etc, like they did for example with the Rotherham abuse cases. Can you imagine discussing that situation and littering your posts with 'Labour are to blame' - because I can't - it would be absolutely mind-numbingly fucking stupid wouldn't it?

Some people see Tony Blair as a war criminal. That's him as an individual. Do we read countless comments about Labour being a party of war criminals. No we don't.

Look at the fuss being made about Theresa May over Grenfell, anyone would think that Corbyn hugging a few people, and May not, was the story itself. You'd think that May was personally responsible, that she'd gone into that 4th floor flat and detonated the fridge herself.

This forum seems to attract the dregs of humanity, who are using the deaths of those poor people to politically point score. I like to think people are better than that though, and it's probably just a few regulars with 'issues', posting under their usernames, and also as guests, maybe a few genuine guests as well thrown in. Seriously, in the wake of such tragedy, how can virtually every other post by these people be about 'the Tories'?

[McAz]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

Some people have made a right show of themselves over this tragedy. I can't recall a tragedy/incident ever, where so much rabid venom has been directed at a political party. For sure. a political party will occasionally crop up when discussing such things, but usually people just talk of 'the authorities' local council', 'the police' etc, like they did for example with the Rotherham abuse cases. Can you imagine discussing that situation and littering your posts with 'Labour are to blame' - because I can't - it would be absolutely mind-numbingly fucking stupid wouldn't it?

Some people see Tony Blair as a war criminal. That's him as an individual. Do we read countless comments about Labour being a party of war criminals. No we don't.

Look at the fuss being made about Theresa May over Grenfell, anyone would think that Corbyn hugging a few people, and May not, was the story itself. You'd think that May was personally responsible, that she'd gone into that 4th floor flat and detonated the fridge herself.

This forum seems to attract the dregs of humanity, who are using the deaths of those poor people to politically point score. I like to think people are better than that though, and it's probably just a few regulars with 'issues', posting under their usernames, and also as guests, maybe a few genuine guests as well thrown in. Seriously, in the wake of such tragedy, how can virtually every other post by these people be about 'the Tories'?

As if the likes of you who advocate burning down immigrant accommodation is in any position to moralise.

Have your tears dried yet?

[Guest]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

Some people have made a right show of themselves over this tragedy. I can't recall a tragedy/incident ever, where so much rabid venom has been directed at a political party. For sure. a political party will occasionally crop up when discussing such things, but usually people just talk of 'the authorities' local council', 'the police' etc, like they did for example with the Rotherham abuse cases. Can you imagine discussing that situation and littering your posts with 'Labour are to blame'
because I can't - it would absolutely mind-numbingly fucking stupid wouldn't it?

Some people see Tony Blair as a war criminal. That's him as an individual. Do we read countless comments about Labour being a party of war criminals. No we don't.

Look at the fuss being made about Theresa May over Grenfell, anyone would think that Corbyn hugging a few people, and May not, was the story itself. You'd think that May was personally responsible, that she'd gone into that 4th floor flat and detonated the fridge herself.

This forum seems to attract the dregs of humanity, who are using the deaths of those poor people to politically point score. I like to think people are better than that though, and it's probably just a few regulars with 'issues', posting under their usernames, and also as guests, maybe a few genuine guests as well thrown in. Seriously, in the wake of such tragedy, how can virtually every other post by these people be about 'the Tories'?

Yes Si being a culprit, writing the biggest load of bollocks.
When did you start being against arson?
As for dregs of humanity, well if Viper will start stupid threads trying to politically point score wtf do you expect from a Tory cunt?
The Tories build the block in 1972
RBKC was Tory since 1967
They have held the majority in EVERY Council committee since 1982.
The Tories have sat on a report since 2010 even David Fucking Amess Tory MP is raging that the Government has done fuck all.
The Tories even refuse to put sprinklers in fucking schools.

So who are you going to blame?
The Lib Dems?

[Red Okktober]

As if the likes of you who advocate burning down immigrant accommodation is in any position to moralise.

Have your tears dried yet?

Seriously, take a look at yourself, what you've become, No subject is taboo for you - terrorism, the rape and murder of little girls, tragedies like this one etc. It's all a 'bit of a laugh' for you isn't it? Just new trolling material for your 24/7 twisted lifestyle.

You've guest posted to me before, I wonder how many of these pathetic 'anti-Tory' point-scoring guests are you as well?

[McAz]

As if the likes of you who advocate burning down immigrant accommodation is in any position to moralise.

Have your tears dried yet?

Seriously, take a look at yourself, what you've become, No subject is taboo for you - terrorism, the rape and murder of little girls, tragedies like this one etc. It's all a 'bit of a laugh' for you isn't it? Just new trolling material for your 24/7 twisted lifestyle.

You've guest posted to me before, I wonder how many of these pathetic 'anti-Tory' point-scoring guests are you as well?

No, you take a look at yourself - for years you've spewed hate and bile against immigrants - even going so far as to advocate arson - and now we're supposed to believe you're heartbroken at what you consider "primitives" frying in a tower block.

Did you and your racist pals celebrate on the night of the fire?

[Guest]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

Some people have made a right show of themselves over this tragedy. I can't recall a tragedy/incident ever, where so much rabid venom has been directed at a political party. For sure. a political party will occasionally crop up when discussing such things, but usually people just talk of 'the authorities' local council', 'the police' etc, like they did for example with the Rotherham abuse cases. Can you imagine discussing that situation and littering your posts with 'Labour are to blame'
because I can't - it would absolutely mind-numbingly fucking stupid wouldn't it?

Some people see Tony Blair as a war criminal. That's him as an individual. Do we read countless comments about Labour being a party of war criminals. No we don't.

Look at the fuss being made about Theresa May over Grenfell, anyone would think that Corbyn hugging a few people, and May not, was the story itself. You'd think that May was personally responsible, that she'd gone into that 4th floor flat and detonated the fridge herself.

This forum seems to attract the dregs of humanity, who are using the deaths of those poor people to politically point score. I like to think people are better than that though, and it's probably just a few regulars with 'issues', posting under their usernames, and also as guests, maybe a few genuine guests as well thrown in. Seriously, in the wake of such tragedy, how can virtually every other post by these people be about 'the Tories'?

Yes Si being a culprit, writing the biggest load of bollocks.
When did you start being against arson?
As for dregs of humanity, well if Viper will start stupid threads trying to politically point score wtf do you expect from a Tory cunt?
The Tories build the block in 1972
RBKC was Tory since 1967
They have held the majority in EVERY Council committee since 1982.
The Tories have sat on a report since 2010 even David Fucking Amess Tory MP is raging that the Government has done fuck all.
The Tories even refuse to put sprinklers in fucking schools.

So who are you going to blame?
The Lib Dems?

Come on Red you coward, answer the questions

[Guest]

The main irony being that almost all the criticisms made of the "far right" in that article ALSO apply just as well to the "far left" who seem to think the only necessary explanation any situation needs is "because, tories!!!!"

Honestly, I noticed a a few fuckwits here, the other day, suggesting it was all going to shit at Grenfell Tower because of the tories.
Is anybody REALLY that fucking dumb or are they just shitheads who'll stoop to use anything to voice their rabid political prejudices?
Do these people think that when the tories take over a town council, or install an MP, they sack every employee in the organisation and replace them with nasty, evil, tories?
Do they think that all the police and social-services responsible for dealing with these incidents are tory drones who've been programmed to hate the poor and shit on the little people?
Anybody who thinks that's correct is thoroughly fucked in the head.

The simple fact is that almost all our various civil servants are bureaucrats and arse-lickers who're all but incapable of practical thought, much less action.
This is not a party-political problem. It's a problem endemic to the entire public sector in this country.
And it's certainly endemic to Labour authorities, just as much as tory ones.
Seriously, does anybody think that the response would have been any better if (god forbid) a building had caught fire in Hackney?

Some people have made a right show of themselves over this tragedy. I can't recall a tragedy/incident ever, where so much rabid venom has been directed at a political party. For sure. a political party will occasionally crop up when discussing such things, but usually people just talk of 'the authorities' local council', 'the police' etc, like they did for example with the Rotherham abuse cases. Can you imagine discussing that situation and littering your posts with 'Labour are to blame' - because I can't - it would be absolutely mind-numbingly fucking stupid wouldn't it?

Some people see Tony Blair as a war criminal. That's him as an individual. Do we read countless comments about Labour being a party of war criminals. No we don't.

Look at the fuss being made about Theresa May over Grenfell, anyone would think that Corbyn hugging a few people, and May not, was the story itself. You'd think that May was personally responsible, that she'd gone into that 4th floor flat and detonated the fridge herself.

This forum seems to attract the dregs of humanity, who are using the deaths of those poor people to politically point score. I like to think people are better than that though, and it's probably just a few regulars with 'issues', posting under their usernames, and also as guests, maybe a few genuine guests as well thrown in. Seriously, in the wake of such tragedy, how can virtually every other post by these people be about 'the Tories'?

Quite right,

Will you take the OP to task about this thread?

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[Red Okktober]

No, you take a look at yourself - for years you've spewed hate and bile against immigrants - even going so far as to advocate arson - and now we're supposed to believe you're heartbroken at what you consider "primitives" frying in a tower block.

Did you and your racist pals celebrate on the night of the fire?

'Primitives frying in a tower block'? - what a vile creature you are. Like I said - no subject is taboo for your twisted 24/7 trolling.

At least you've stopped talking about 'the tories' for a couple minutes

[Viper]

As if the likes of you who advocate burning down immigrant accommodation is in any position to moralise.

Have your tears dried yet?

Seriously, take a look at yourself, what you've become, No subject is taboo for you - terrorism, the rape and murder of little girls, tragedies like this one etc. It's all a 'bit of a laugh' for you isn't it? Just new trolling material for your 24/7 twisted lifestyle.

You've guest posted to me before, I wonder how many of these pathetic 'anti-Tory' point-scoring guests are you as well?

No, you take a look at yourself - for years you've spewed hate and bile against immigrants - even going so far as to advocate arson - and now we're supposed to believe you're heartbroken at what you consider "primitives" frying in a tower block.

Did you and your racist pals celebrate on the night of the fire?

An accusation that can very much be redirected to the 'anti government' posters who have no moral limit when hi jacking events to fuel their agenda. Did you celebrate when you heard the news? You certainly have ever since.

[McAz]

No, you take a look at yourself - for years you've spewed hate and bile against immigrants - even going so far as to advocate arson - and now we're supposed to believe you're heartbroken at what you consider "primitives" frying in a tower block.

Did you and your racist pals celebrate on the night of the fire?

'Primitives frying in a tower block'? - what a vile creature you are. Like I said - no subject is taboo for your twisted 24/7 trolling.

At least you've stopped talking about 'the tories' for a couple minutes

But have you stopped talking about arson against immigrants?