Mark wrote:how much has membership cost us all over the years Stoo?
and not just the direct financial cost
what about the indirect costs?
more folk competing for work costs, with less security, lower wages, lower conditions
more folk needing homes costs, with higher rents, higher house prices
then theres the everyday rises in the cost of living
to me
the entire EU Project
has just seen the levelling of standards across the EU
but instead of everyone being raised to the highest level
its actually been a mechanism to lower the richer nations standards
and lets not forget that old Democracy chestnut mate
a vote to remain, was a vote to throw away yet more democratic power
and that's just daft
Markey mark wrote:Couldn’t give a fuck is leaving Europe brings this country to its knees , perhaps then government stop paying out for you lazy fuckers on here 24/7 , a days work would kill you , we leaving deal with in what you remainders think
Guest wrote:Lol remoaners. Think they can see into the future. Should have taken a peep before june 23rd last then innit!
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Stooo wrote:Mark wrote:how much has membership cost us all over the years Stoo?
and not just the direct financial cost
what about the indirect costs?
No idea, how much did we gain since we were the sick man of Europe in the 70's?
aint got a clue
its a lifetime ago bruv, and don't really matter do itmore folk competing for work costs, with less security, lower wages, lower conditions
more folk needing homes costs, with higher rents, higher house prices
then theres the everyday rises in the cost of living
High rents and house prices are due to national economic conditions and allowing the Chinese and Russians to buy up new builds and sometimes large percentages of new estates. Don't get me started on price rises, we are all paying £600 more a year for our kit and things are getting worse:
The Brexit vote has caused a significant rise in prices, especially food
you're right Stoo, but even the most ardent European Englishman must admit that the huge increase In population has made all this shyte worse
and yes, I know
half of the new folk are from outside the EU
but our rulers are using this to make us all poorer, no matter where we're born, as if that matters imho
Also we're pretty much at full employment and:
‘Food is rotting in the fields’ - NFU deputy president Minette Batters demands urgent action on seasonal labour shortfall
Let alone the 90% increase in qualified professionals leaving the NHSto me
the entire EU Project
has just seen the levelling of standards across the EU
but instead of everyone being raised to the highest level
its actually been a mechanism to lower the richer nations standards
Except, we are no longer the fourth or even fifth largest economy thanks to that wretched vote
and nor should we be
we should be bloody comfortable, with "our" wealth spread more evenly, but we are tiny, we shouldn't rule or police the bloody world
and only have what we have, or had what we had, cos we was the best, most clever and ruthless empire builders
sadly, us peasants never really benefitted from that, the odd good rich soul apart,
but the worlds changing, and for the better, with hopefully, us peasants actually being governed by folk like us
its gonna be a long painful road
but at least we're going in the right direction
even with a few dodgy left and right turns along the wayand lets not forget that old Democracy chestnut mate
a vote to remain, was a vote to throw away yet more democratic power
and that's just daft
A vote to leave took away democratic power, we used to elect our MEP's who (if they turned up) were able to represent their constituencies. Don't start with that unelected bureaucrat nonsense, when was the last time that a post in the Civil Service was filled after the decision of a national vote?
Europe has it's problems but we're fucked.
At least we'll have um, fish, something about sugar, blue passports and the fact that we will have to obey EU rules without any representation if we want to buy and sell at inflated tariffs to countries on our borders.
Cannydc wrote:Guest wrote:Lol remoaners. Think they can see into the future. Should have taken a peep before june 23rd last then innit!
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Some of us did try to take a peep, despite the poisonous fog of false propaganda and fake nationalistic guff put up by the Leave side.
We forecast job losses (tick)
We forecast a drop in the value of the pound (tick)
We forecast companies doing a runner to EU bases (tick)
We forecast higher interest rates (tick)
We forecast loss of vital joint EU / UK scientific research projects (tick)
And we forecast higher prices of imported goods (tick)
All of which was poo-pooed by the Leave side and labelled Project Fear. Sadly, Project Fear is becoming Project Fact.
And as for the negotiations - remember how easy it was all going to be (Liam Fox) ? How the EU could whistle for their money (Boris the Clown) ?
Cannydc wrote:Guest wrote:Lol remoaners. Think they can see into the future. Should have taken a peep before june 23rd last then innit!
Brexit
Some of us did try to take a peep, despite the poisonous fog of false propaganda and fake nationalistic guff put up by the Leave side.
We forecast job losses (tick)
We forecast a drop in the value of the pound (tick)
We forecast companies doing a runner to EU bases (tick)
We forecast higher interest rates (tick)
We forecast loss of vital joint EU / UK scientific research projects (tick)
And we forecast higher prices of imported goods (tick)
All of which was poo-pooed by the Leave side and labelled Project Fear. Sadly, Project Fear is becoming Project Fact.
And as for the negotiations - remember how easy it was all going to be (Liam Fox) ? How the EU could whistle for their money (Boris the Clown) ?
Mark wrote:Canny
as always mate, your points are valid
BUT
we cant affect real change here
whilst in the EU
our bastard Govts have blamed them for ALL our ills, for decades
whilst depriving us of the many good things of membership
well, they cant no more
so lets hold them truly accountable
then unite and replace them
it may never happen
but at least we can try
rather than just keep sitting back and gulping it all down
its a brave new world
social media, and our money, has given the peasants a voice for the first time in history
he says optomistically
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