Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

[Cannydc]

2 week deadline to tell the EU what we are prepared to pay for our current obligations, as well as make progress on the Ireland enigma.

Nothing else will be negotiated if we don't.

What a shambles. No plan, no leadership, no hope.

[Stooo]

2 week deadline to tell the EU what we are prepared to pay for our current obligations, as well as make progress on the Ireland enigma.

Nothing else will be negotiated if we don't.

What a shambles. No plan, no leadership, no hope.

And no-one to pick the crops in Cornwall...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 49391.html

[Cannydc]

Or here, in East Anglia. Or Kent, or Scotland..... etc.

“The perception from overseas is we are xenophobic, we’re racist, and the pound has plummeted too. We’ve gone with Brexit and that makes us look unfriendly.”

Those are the words of John Hardman, director of Hops Labour Solutions, which supplies about 12,000 workers a year to food-growers. He reckons that when it comes to “food-picking jobs in agriculture – which means everything from strawberries to brussels sprouts”, there is currently a Brexit-related shortfall of about 20%, which chimes with recent surveys by the National Farmers Union.

What of the much-discussed prospect of food rotting in the fields? “We’re not far off. I suspect that’ll definitely happen next year,” he says.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Well we're out and there won't be any going back.
The stage has been set.
Europe is now already becoming a first fully operational model of a centralised ‘one state’ supranational authority.
Two key ingredients making this possible.
One is a massive influx of alien cultures and terrorism.
The other and most important is the establishment of an ‘EU Treasury’ which, according to Donald Tusk, President of the EU Council, will come into effect in June 2018, under the official title of European Monetary Fund. This will result in the single point control of all EU member state finances.
The institution at the forefront of this power grab is the Bank of International Settlements.
The central bankers bank in Switzerland.
No government including the Swiss government no police authority intelligence agency or army can legally enter this place.
No one in any shape or form can check what money gold paper and so on comes and goes etc.
This is the definition of secret power.
They inform the World Bank and the IMF how much money supply will be available from year to year and what the spending parameters will be.
Next in line come the central banks: the European Central Bank, The US Federal Reserve Banks, the Bank of England etc. And below these come the first tiers of involvement of national governments and, by extension, the further banking institutions of each country. Thus government and national treasuries, are relegated to being fourth down from the top of the power pyramid which controls most of our lives from day to day. Government, in too many cases, is just a vector for the advancement of corporate ambition.
Based in Brussels, it will have the power to gather a whole extra strata of tax receipts from member state citizens, one of the objectives of which will be the funding of a programme of complete military unification – a ‘One EU Army’. A highly significant part of this process will involve the establishment of an ‘Eastern European Army’, to be known as ‘Eastern European Forces’.

Can't supply a link as my security went ballistic.

[Cannydc]

"Well we're out and there won't be any going back."

Don't you believe it.

The fat lady hasn't even put on her opera dress yet.

This week will show how hard it will be to get any trumped up, pretend deal through the House of Commons. In fact we are very close to there being a referendum on the final deal - Leave would almost certainly lose and if that happens, Article 50 will be withdrawn.

[Stooo]

"Well we're out and there won't be any going back."

Don't you believe it.

The fat lady hasn't even put on her opera dress yet.

This week will show how hard it will be to get any trumped up, pretend deal through the House of Commons. In fact we are very close to there being a referendum on the final deal - Leave would almost certainly lose and if that happens, Article 50 will be withdrawn.

Two anti-leave pieces in the DM, Christmas is coming and the turkeys are getting nervous.

[Cannydc]

"Well we're out and there won't be any going back."

Don't you believe it.

The fat lady hasn't even put on her opera dress yet.

This week will show how hard it will be to get any trumped up, pretend deal through the House of Commons. In fact we are very close to there being a referendum on the final deal - Leave would almost certainly lose and if that happens, Article 50 will be withdrawn.

Two anti-leave pieces in the DM, Christmas is coming and the turkeys are getting nervous.

Agreed. This is so far from over, it has barely started.

Sense can prevail yet.

One key will be supermarket prices in the new year. It should be noted that Sainsburys announced this week a 9% drop in profits, but a RISE in sales. Which can only mean that they have held back large price rises, as they can't afford to break the dam first. Someone will.

[Cannydc]

Meanwhile, arch-Brexiteer John Redwood has urged investors to 'look elsewhere, other than the UK'.

Yes, he really did say that.

And is STILL pushing Brexit.

[Rolluplostinspace]

'We will never be your slaves!' Italy in crisis as THOUSANDS demand EXIT from 'EU MAFIA'
THOUSANDS of protesters took to the streets yesterday to demand Italy leaves the EU immediately, with march slogans labelling the European bloc a mafia.

The scale of the protest shocked police officers, and even prompted the local US embassy to issue a security alert, warning of up to "10,000 people on the streets".

Among the urgent demands of the young protesters was an immediate Italian exit of the EU as well as a departure from the eurozone.

This follows polls yesterday that will alarm officials in Brussels, as euroscep>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/878 ... ws_Express

[Stooo]

Ben Bradshaw, Labour MP for Exeter

When I first started asking questions about Russian interference in British politics last year, I think it’s fair to say that most people thought I was a bit of a crank.

It was about a year ago when the first compelling and credible reports began to emerge in the US of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. There were reports around the same time of similar Kremlin activity in European countries.

Given the uniquely destabilising impact of Brexit and President Vladimir Putin’s well publicised support for it, it would have been very odd, I thought, if the UK had not been a target too.

As a former journalist I’m curious. Having worked in former Communist East Germany and had a stint as Security Minister in the Foreign Office, I have some knowledge and experience of how the Kremlin operates. So I began asking fairly simple and innocuous questions in parliament and in correspondence with ministers about what, if anything, our government knew.

The silence was deafening. Ministerial responses from the prime minister downward were a combination of denial and obfuscation. “Nothing to see here,” they assured me. That only made me more suspicious. Why was the British government so uniquely reluctant to talk about something that politicians in America and across Europe were discussing?

At the same time, having raised my concerns publicly, I began to receive information, encouragement and suggestions of lines of inquiry. Some of the people who contacted me were clearly conspiracy theorists pushing outlandish ideas, but others were serious and experienced investigative journalists, financial investigators and people with a great deal of knowledge of the intelligence and security services. They had been working on this subject for a considerable amount of time. Some of what they suggested to me sounded farfetched. But, every step of the way since, they have been proved right.

Twelve months on, we have multiple investigations by the Electoral Commission. These include the role of Russian generated and funded social media activity in the referendum campaign. In the last month alone we’ve had a whole run of news reports which have exposed how covert Russian twitter accounts were pushing anti-EU and anti-immigrant messages in the run-up to the Brexit vote.

The Electoral Commission is also probing the funding of the Brexit campaign itself and its main financial backer, Trump cheerleader and Putin apologist Arron Banks. The Commission has fined the Leave-supporting DUP for taking impermissible donations from an obscure organisation called the Constitutional Research Council. The Council gave more than £400,000 to the DUP during the referendum, most of which was spent in England and the Commission says it imposed the fine because of a failure to reveal the source of the money.

The Commons Culture and Media Select Committee is holding an inquiry into Kremlin-backed social media, as evidence of the huge scale of this activity on both sides of the Atlantic mounts. I’d be surprised and disappointed if parliament’s Joint Intelligence and Security Committee, now it has finally been reconstituted, does not examine this area as well. After all, it has unique and direct access to the heads of our intelligence and security services.

Then there is the powerful US investigation, led by Justice Department Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, looking into alleged collusion between Putin and the Trump campaign. This has already reached our shores—indicted and other named individuals having undertaken their activities here in the UK.

In spite all of this, Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, was still insisting last week that he was not aware of any Russian interference in our democracy. The prime minister, in her otherwise excoriating attack on Kremlin methods in her Mansion House speech on Monday, went out of her way to exclude Britain from the long list of countries targeted.

The government still seems determined to stick to its “there’s nothing to see here” line. This is either right, in which case, fair enough, I’ll go back to my day job. Or the reticence is political.

The government is understandably hesitant to acknowledge anything that could lead people to question the legitimacy of the referendum result. Ministers are also hyper-anxious about doing or saying anything to embarrass Trump, on whom they depend for the fantasy trade deal which is going to save us from the economic fall-out from Brexit.

This reticence is no longer sustainable. Nor does it serve our national interest. It is likely to be overtaken by events and information yet to come out. The government will be left looking flat footed, evasive or worse.

I don’t know where this will end. But I do know that there are theories being worked on and allegations being investigated which, if proven, would be game-changers.

Without Russian subversion of the referendum, there would be plenty of very good reasons to exit from Brexit. But, if that subversion did happen, we have the right to know, because this goes to the heart of the security and integrity of our democracy.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... -democracy

Rollup's Express article above is a prime example from a prime outlet, owned by a billionaire pornographer.

[Keyser]

Amazing - whoever owns a dog (for example) will now suddenly notice since last week it can feel no fear, love or joy and it is a mere reflex driven automaton.

https://www.bva.co.uk/news-campaigns-an ... standards/

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... ons/17/11/

So we being to slip even father behind European standards in yet another area.

Money.

Money.

Money.

It's all our lot cares about - welcome to the world of Brexit.

[Guest]

Lol remoaners. I do admit to a certain schadenfreude watching the remoaners as they slowly start to realise they lost a democratic vote. This little cabal of remoaners on here is the worst of the lot though.

Brexit

[Cannydc]

I note with interest that Maybot has now signalled that we will be willing to pay £40,000,000,000 (£40bn) to the EU as part of our settlement.

Perhaps 'Guest' can tell us exactly what happened to 'they can whistle for ANY money' and similar BS from the Brexiteers.

Has 'Guest' worked out that they have been lied to consistently for at least 2 years, and that they perhaps need to look again at Brexit ??

Or will the head-in-the-sand stuff continue until we are all sold down the river by these idiots ?

[Cannydc]

"Those who claim that the UK should cherry pick parts of the single market must stop this contradiction.

The single market is a package with four indivisible freedoms, common rules, institutions and enforcement structures.

The UK knows its rules very well ... We took note of the UK decision to end free movement of people and this means clearly that the UK will lose the benefits of the single market.

This is a legal reality.

Only those who ignore or want to ignore the current benefits of EU membership can say that no deal would be a positive result.

The legal consequence of Brexit is that the UK financial service providers lose their EU passport."

Meaning that the UK Financial Providers WILL LOSE the ability to sell into a market of 500 million customers and 22 million businesses....


Mr Barnier tells it as it is.

[Guest]

Lol. The eu is broke and shitting itself. If it doesnt get a handout from us they're fucked.

Chill remoaners. The brave lads got this.

Brexit