Trapper John wrote:This is of course a direct result of Brexit.
Maybe if we shipped out all the foreign prisoners clogging up our prison system there would be a bit more time and money to spare so these things can be rectified.
Prisoners can help themselves too by coming up with new and inventive ways to improve their lot. One that worked particularly well recently in the outside world could be tweaked to work within the system.
It involves setting fire to the place you live in, then blaming it all on other people - this will see prisoners put up in 5 Star hotels and possibly even being able to tuck a little nest egg away for use on release.
Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:This is of course a direct result of Brexit.
Maybe if we shipped out all the foreign prisoners clogging up our prison system there would be a bit more time and money to spare so these things can be rectified.
Prisoners can help themselves too by coming up with new and inventive ways to improve their lot. One that worked particularly well recently in the outside world could be tweaked to work within the system.
It involves setting fire to the place you live in, then blaming it all on other people - this will see prisoners put up in 5 Star hotels and possibly even being able to tuck a little nest egg away for use on release.
Ahhh - all the fault of those pesky forriners. And if other countries decide to send back OUR home-grown detritus languishing in their jails ?
Never mind the fact that a very large proportion of UK prisoners are mentally ill and should never have been sent there in the first place.
Trapper John wrote:Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:This is of course a direct result of Brexit.
Maybe if we shipped out all the foreign prisoners clogging up our prison system there would be a bit more time and money to spare so these things can be rectified.
Prisoners can help themselves too by coming up with new and inventive ways to improve their lot. One that worked particularly well recently in the outside world could be tweaked to work within the system.
It involves setting fire to the place you live in, then blaming it all on other people - this will see prisoners put up in 5 Star hotels and possibly even being able to tuck a little nest egg away for use on release.
Ahhh - all the fault of those pesky forriners. And if other countries decide to send back OUR home-grown detritus languishing in their jails ?
Never mind the fact that a very large proportion of UK prisoners are mentally ill and should never have been sent there in the first place.
Pish - a few dozen drug mules
Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:This is of course a direct result of Brexit.
Maybe if we shipped out all the foreign prisoners clogging up our prison system there would be a bit more time and money to spare so these things can be rectified.
Prisoners can help themselves too by coming up with new and inventive ways to improve their lot. One that worked particularly well recently in the outside world could be tweaked to work within the system.
It involves setting fire to the place you live in, then blaming it all on other people - this will see prisoners put up in 5 Star hotels and possibly even being able to tuck a little nest egg away for use on release.
Ahhh - all the fault of those pesky forriners. And if other countries decide to send back OUR home-grown detritus languishing in their jails ?
Never mind the fact that a very large proportion of UK prisoners are mentally ill and should never have been sent there in the first place.
Pish - a few dozen drug mules
As of March 2015, the FCO was aware of 2205 British nationals detained overseas.
Trapper John wrote:By the way, the average cost of a prison place in UK jails as of 2016/17 was £38,042 per annum, thats up almost £3000 pa from the previous year.
So thats a whopping £456million pa spent on housing and caring for 12000 FNP. No wonder the system is falling apart.
Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:By the way, the average cost of a prison place in UK jails as of 2016/17 was £38,042 per annum, thats up almost £3000 pa from the previous year.
So thats a whopping £456million pa spent on housing and caring for 12000 FNP. No wonder the system is falling apart.
The habit of sending mentally ill people to prison has mushroomed in recent years.
A recent study showed that 12% met criteria for psychosis; 53.8% for depressive disorders; 26.8% for anxiety disorders; 33.1% were dependent on alcohol and 57.1% on illegal drugs; 34.2% had some form of personality disorder; and 69.1% had two disorders or more.
Moreover, in the year before imprisonment, 25.3% had used mental health services.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 016-1311-7
A conservative estimate shows at least 40 - 60% to be suffering at least one mental condition.
And none of this takes into account other factors leading to jail sentences such as drug and alcohol dependency. Drug dependence was widespread, with figures starkly in contrast to the general population: 12 times as high in men, 26 times in women.
https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/reso ... ng-problem
Lady Murasaki wrote:Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:By the way, the average cost of a prison place in UK jails as of 2016/17 was £38,042 per annum, thats up almost £3000 pa from the previous year.
So thats a whopping £456million pa spent on housing and caring for 12000 FNP. No wonder the system is falling apart.
The habit of sending mentally ill people to prison has mushroomed in recent years.
A recent study showed that 12% met criteria for psychosis; 53.8% for depressive disorders; 26.8% for anxiety disorders; 33.1% were dependent on alcohol and 57.1% on illegal drugs; 34.2% had some form of personality disorder; and 69.1% had two disorders or more.
Moreover, in the year before imprisonment, 25.3% had used mental health services.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 016-1311-7
A conservative estimate shows at least 40 - 60% to be suffering at least one mental condition.
And none of this takes into account other factors leading to jail sentences such as drug and alcohol dependency. Drug dependence was widespread, with figures starkly in contrast to the general population: 12 times as high in men, 26 times in women.
https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/reso ... ng-problem
Mental illness is such a catch all term nowadays though. The criminal justice system can only really go by what crimes are committed not what a person may do because they're mentally unstable. A lot of crimes are committed in a moment of madness, red mist, not because someone is mentally ill long term.
Cannydc wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Cannydc wrote:Trapper John wrote:By the way, the average cost of a prison place in UK jails as of 2016/17 was £38,042 per annum, thats up almost £3000 pa from the previous year.
So thats a whopping £456million pa spent on housing and caring for 12000 FNP. No wonder the system is falling apart.
The habit of sending mentally ill people to prison has mushroomed in recent years.
A recent study showed that 12% met criteria for psychosis; 53.8% for depressive disorders; 26.8% for anxiety disorders; 33.1% were dependent on alcohol and 57.1% on illegal drugs; 34.2% had some form of personality disorder; and 69.1% had two disorders or more.
Moreover, in the year before imprisonment, 25.3% had used mental health services.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 016-1311-7
A conservative estimate shows at least 40 - 60% to be suffering at least one mental condition.
And none of this takes into account other factors leading to jail sentences such as drug and alcohol dependency. Drug dependence was widespread, with figures starkly in contrast to the general population: 12 times as high in men, 26 times in women.
https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/reso ... ng-problem
Mental illness is such a catch all term nowadays though. The criminal justice system can only really go by what crimes are committed not what a person may do because they're mentally unstable. A lot of crimes are committed in a moment of madness, red mist, not because someone is mentally ill long term.
Mental illness isn't an excuse for crime.
But it is an illness, often serious, and should be treated in a medical setting. Not locked in a stinking cell 23 hours a day.
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