Trans women are women

[NastyNickers]

NN definitely Dogs' main NPC.

So much for discussion, out come the insults

[Guest]

If you’re born with a dick you’re a male, it’s that simple.... no matter how much you rearrange it all!

What about hermaphrodites?

If a man is born with a female brain that makes him female in my book.

You're a transphobic racist...

Look, we get it. You're not fussy who or what you shag. We know this. It's a given due to your past behaviour. You trying to turn this place in the failed Cage is pathetic. Why did that shithole forum of yours go tits up? That's right because it was filled with your mental wanking fantasist posts.

[Lady Murasaki]

I don't believe that.

You've also not answered the question, if women can have penises and men vaginas why is surgery necessary?

It isn’t. Not for all of them. There are degrees of transition. Not everyone will opt for gender reassignment surgery.
It’s not the surgery, but the identity transition.

They seem to go for the over feminised version of being female though. It’s like they want to escape the expectation of being macho and want to be able to be softer, sensitive and possibly, protected. It’s all perception though. They never seem to transition into a non glam, non make up wearing ‘woman’.

[NastyNickers]

I don't believe that.

You've also not answered the question, if women can have penises and men vaginas why is surgery necessary?

It isn’t. Not for all of them. There are degrees of transition. Not everyone will opt for gender reassignment surgery.
It’s not the surgery, but the identity transition.

They seem to go for the over feminised version of being female though. It’s like they want to escape the expectation of being macho and want to be able to be softer, sensitive and possibly, protected. It’s all perception though. They never seem to transition into a non glam, non make up wearing ‘woman’.

Not all of them. Many blend in quite well as normal looking women. I think that’s an overcompensation kind of thing though. And a pitfall of those early in their transition, I’d say. On the whole they are probably as varied as CIS women.

[Lady Murasaki]

I don't believe that.

You've also not answered the question, if women can have penises and men vaginas why is surgery necessary?

It isn’t. Not for all of them. There are degrees of transition. Not everyone will opt for gender reassignment surgery.
It’s not the surgery, but the identity transition.

They seem to go for the over feminised version of being female though. It’s like they want to escape the expectation of being macho and want to be able to be softer, sensitive and possibly, protected. It’s all perception though. They never seem to transition into a non glam, non make up wearing ‘woman’.

Not all of them. Many blend in quite well as normal looking women. I think that’s an overcompensation kind of thing though. And a pitfall of those early in their transition, I’d say. On the whole they are probably as varied as CIS women.

Then I don’t understand the need to transition. And I know I don’t need to but this is a discussion so...
Is it escapism? From the shackles of being male? There’s plenty of non macho males who may have been ridiculed when younger but go on to live fulfilling lives without needing to fit in with other more ‘male’ males.
Is it a socialising thing? Some men prefer the company of women.

[NastyNickers]

I don't believe that.

You've also not answered the question, if women can have penises and men vaginas why is surgery necessary?

It isn’t. Not for all of them. There are degrees of transition. Not everyone will opt for gender reassignment surgery.
It’s not the surgery, but the identity transition.

They seem to go for the over feminised version of being female though. It’s like they want to escape the expectation of being macho and want to be able to be softer, sensitive and possibly, protected. It’s all perception though. They never seem to transition into a non glam, non make up wearing ‘woman’.

Not all of them. Many blend in quite well as normal looking women. I think that’s an overcompensation kind of thing though. And a pitfall of those early in their transition, I’d say. On the whole they are probably as varied as CIS women.

Then I don’t understand the need to transition. And I know I don’t need to but this is a discussion so...
Is it escapism? From the shackles of being male? There’s plenty of non macho males who may have been ridiculed when younger but go on to live fulfilling lives without needing to fit in with other more ‘male’ males.
Is it a socialising thing? Some men prefer the company of women.

I think it’s just really difficult to grasp if you aren’t transgender.
My friend told me he felt like you’d imagine someone overweight felt. Only it was his gender he needed to change. Before he transitioned he couldn’t kick depression, self harmed, tried to take his own life a few times. Once he transitioned all that lifted. He doesn’t really behave any differently or anything. To me he’s exactly the same, except his pronouns.

Gender isn’t something you really consciously think of, but if you did, and you had this inate sense that yours didn’t fit and wasn’t right, I can’t imagine it’d be the best existence.

[LordRaven]

It isn’t. Not for all of them. There are degrees of transition. Not everyone will opt for gender reassignment surgery.
It’s not the surgery, but the identity transition.

They seem to go for the over feminised version of being female though. It’s like they want to escape the expectation of being macho and want to be able to be softer, sensitive and possibly, protected. It’s all perception though. They never seem to transition into a non glam, non make up wearing ‘woman’.

Not all of them. Many blend in quite well as normal looking women. I think that’s an overcompensation kind of thing though. And a pitfall of those early in their transition, I’d say. On the whole they are probably as varied as CIS women.

Then I don’t understand the need to transition. And I know I don’t need to but this is a discussion so...
Is it escapism? From the shackles of being male? There’s plenty of non macho males who may have been ridiculed when younger but go on to live fulfilling lives without needing to fit in with other more ‘male’ males.
Is it a socialising thing? Some men prefer the company of women.

I think it’s just really difficult to grasp if you aren’t transgender.
My friend told me he felt like you’d imagine someone overweight felt. Only it was his gender he needed to change. Before he transitioned he couldn’t kick depression, self harmed, tried to take his own life a few times. Once he transitioned all that lifted. He doesn’t really behave any differently or anything. To me he’s exactly the same, except his pronouns.

Gender isn’t something you really consciously think of, but if you did, and you had this inate sense that yours didn’t fit and wasn’t right, I can’t imagine it’d be the best existence.

That sounds about right, all I have ever heard is people saying they were born and grew up trapped in the wrong body.

[Lady Murasaki]

It isn’t. Not for all of them. There are degrees of transition. Not everyone will opt for gender reassignment surgery.
It’s not the surgery, but the identity transition.

They seem to go for the over feminised version of being female though. It’s like they want to escape the expectation of being macho and want to be able to be softer, sensitive and possibly, protected. It’s all perception though. They never seem to transition into a non glam, non make up wearing ‘woman’.

Not all of them. Many blend in quite well as normal looking women. I think that’s an overcompensation kind of thing though. And a pitfall of those early in their transition, I’d say. On the whole they are probably as varied as CIS women.

Then I don’t understand the need to transition. And I know I don’t need to but this is a discussion so...
Is it escapism? From the shackles of being male? There’s plenty of non macho males who may have been ridiculed when younger but go on to live fulfilling lives without needing to fit in with other more ‘male’ males.
Is it a socialising thing? Some men prefer the company of women.

I think it’s just really difficult to grasp if you aren’t transgender.
My friend told me he felt like you’d imagine someone overweight felt. Only it was his gender he needed to change. Before he transitioned he couldn’t kick depression, self harmed, tried to take his own life a few times. Once he transitioned all that lifted. He doesn’t really behave any differently or anything. To me he’s exactly the same, except his pronouns.

Gender isn’t something you really consciously think of, but if you did, and you had this inate sense that yours didn’t fit and wasn’t right, I can’t imagine it’d be the best existence.

But if you’re overweight you know that’s in your own hands and that if you really wanted to you can change it, maybe with some help but it’s doable.
The need to be another gender is different, I think it’s to do with your environment/community having overly strong gender defining roles. That may be why they feel they don’t fit and want more fluidity between the sexes, I can understand that. It’s sad that it causes depression and/or self harm for some. People can be unnecessarily cruel towards sensitive people.

[NastyNickers]

But if you’re overweight you know that’s in your own hands and that if you really wanted to you can change it, maybe with some help but it’s doable.
The need to be another gender is different, I think it’s to do with your environment/community having overly strong gender defining roles. That may be why they feel they don’t fit and want more fluidity between the sexes, I can understand that. It’s sad that it causes depression and/or self harm for some. People can be unnecessarily cruel towards sensitive people.

I don’t doubt that your environment has some influence, but I don’t think it plays such an important role. There’s evidence that it is caused by a crossing over of sex hormones in the womb. Studies in mice showed that if you give them hormones of the opposite sex after the genetalia have developed, they will behave like that sex, instead of their assigned sex. Like hermaphroditism.
I think there are also studies that show a trans woman’s brain will look like a female brain, rather than a male.

[Ray of Sunshine]

"CIS women"

[NastyNickers]

"CIS women"

Got no argument so resorts to right wing memes and insults.
Who’d have expected that?!

[Guest]

"CIS women"

Got no argument so resorts to right wing memes and insults.
Who’d have expected that?!

The more he posts the more of a fool he makes himself look. Is he playing the wronged victim over on retarded today?

[Ray of Sunshine]

Anyone who uses the phrase "CIS women" has to be a PC Bot really don't they?

Do you also refer to the "LGBTQetc Community"?

And frequently refer to things being "problematic"?

[Guest]

Anyone who uses the phrase "CIS women" has to be a PC Bot really don't they?

Do you also refer to the "LGBTQetc Community"?

And frequently refer to things being "problematic"?

You have to face it, not many women here or on retarded think much of your views. Have you pissed Vicky off over? Word's out she's had enough of the whinging and fucked off for good (one of the regulars can't keep its mouth shut!).

[Guest]

Meh. I honestly do not give a fuck about em.