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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:39 pm

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Fascinating!


Come on - don't be sucked in by that pseudo-scientific rubbish
Everyone knows that the pyramids were built by aliens.
It's all explained in Von Daniken's book "Chariots of the gods"

"Chariots of the Gods posits a variety of hypotheses dealing with the possibility of extraterrestrial beings influencing ancient technology. Von Däniken suggests that some ancient structures and artifacts appear to represent higher technological knowledge than is presumed to have existed at the times they were manufactured. Von Däniken maintains that these artifacts were produced either by extraterrestrial visitors or by humans who learned the necessary knowledge from them.[1][3][4]

Such artifacts include the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, and the Moai of Easter Island.[5][6] Further examples include a medieval map known as the Piri Reis Map, which von Däniken describes as showing the Earth as it is seen from space,[7] and the Nazca lines in Peru, which he suggests may have been constructed by humans as crude replicas of previous alien structures, as a way to call the aliens back to Earth.[8][9][10] He uses this same explanation to argue that cart-ruts in Malta may have had extraterrestrial purposes along with similar lines in Australia, Saudi Arabia, and the Aral Sea.[8][11]

The book also suggests that ancient artwork throughout the world could be interpreted as depicting astronauts, air and space vehicles, extraterrestrials, and complex technology. Von Däniken describes elements that he believes are similar in art of unrelated cultures.[1][12][13] Some artwork that von Däniken cites include the ancient Japanese Dogū figurines (which he believed to resemble astronauts in space suits) and 3,000 year-old carvings in the Egyptian New Kingdom Temple that appear to depict helicopter-like machines.[7]

The book goes on to suggest that the origins of religions, including interpretations of the Old Testament of the Bible, are reactions to contact with an alien race. According to von Däniken, humans considered the technology of the aliens to be supernatural and the aliens themselves to be gods. Von Däniken asks if the oral and literal traditions of most religions contain references to visitors from stars and vehicles traveling through air and space. These, he says, should be interpreted as literal descriptions which have changed during the passage of time and become more obscure.[1][2][3][14]

Examples include Ezekiel's vision of the angels and the wheels, which Von Däniken interprets as a description of a spacecraft, the Ark of the Covenant, which is explained as a communication device with an alien race, and the destruction of Sodom by fire and brimstone, which is interpreted as a nuclear explosion.[1][14][15][16]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F

I read that storybook when I was 10, nazca lines are celebrated and repaired every year by weavers. and there was a global civilization predating atlantis which as Plato described was the volcano that destroyed the Minoan People of the Mediterranean. but that is long after geneses and the great flood, which is the result of the ice sheet melting over everest. I prefer the Dagon's accounts from north africa, and Sitchens translations of cuneiform text from mesopotamia. incidentally, that is the origin of our 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24 hour day, 60 minute hour. You would do better reading the references in the niv bible. 1.3 million-year-old records. I stick with geneses, though Ezekiel is cool. there are a few others I like just as much but can't quite recall the name/s?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:41 pm


hebron in palestine is the origin of hebrew. before cannan and judea. yet the palestinians are claimed to be philistines?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby Cannydc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:45 pm

Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:19 pm

Cannydc wrote:Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.

and there is no letter j in hebrew! there was a tut moses of egypt, coincidently about the same period. if the historical record was determined by You Cannny, You would be arguing the scholarly consensus is flat Earth :roll:
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:31 pm

art0hur0moh wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:

:cool:

Fascinating!


Come on - don't be sucked in by that pseudo-scientific rubbish
Everyone knows that the pyramids were built by aliens.
It's all explained in Von Daniken's book "Chariots of the gods"

"Chariots of the Gods posits a variety of hypotheses dealing with the possibility of extraterrestrial beings influencing ancient technology. Von Däniken suggests that some ancient structures and artifacts appear to represent higher technological knowledge than is presumed to have existed at the times they were manufactured. Von Däniken maintains that these artifacts were produced either by extraterrestrial visitors or by humans who learned the necessary knowledge from them.[1][3][4]

Such artifacts include the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, and the Moai of Easter Island.[5][6] Further examples include a medieval map known as the Piri Reis Map, which von Däniken describes as showing the Earth as it is seen from space,[7] and the Nazca lines in Peru, which he suggests may have been constructed by humans as crude replicas of previous alien structures, as a way to call the aliens back to Earth.[8][9][10] He uses this same explanation to argue that cart-ruts in Malta may have had extraterrestrial purposes along with similar lines in Australia, Saudi Arabia, and the Aral Sea.[8][11]

The book also suggests that ancient artwork throughout the world could be interpreted as depicting astronauts, air and space vehicles, extraterrestrials, and complex technology. Von Däniken describes elements that he believes are similar in art of unrelated cultures.[1][12][13] Some artwork that von Däniken cites include the ancient Japanese Dogū figurines (which he believed to resemble astronauts in space suits) and 3,000 year-old carvings in the Egyptian New Kingdom Temple that appear to depict helicopter-like machines.[7]

The book goes on to suggest that the origins of religions, including interpretations of the Old Testament of the Bible, are reactions to contact with an alien race. According to von Däniken, humans considered the technology of the aliens to be supernatural and the aliens themselves to be gods. Von Däniken asks if the oral and literal traditions of most religions contain references to visitors from stars and vehicles traveling through air and space. These, he says, should be interpreted as literal descriptions which have changed during the passage of time and become more obscure.[1][2][3][14]

Examples include Ezekiel's vision of the angels and the wheels, which Von Däniken interprets as a description of a spacecraft, the Ark of the Covenant, which is explained as a communication device with an alien race, and the destruction of Sodom by fire and brimstone, which is interpreted as a nuclear explosion.[1][14][15][16]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F

I read that storybook when I was 10, nazca lines are celebrated and repaired every year by weavers. and there was a global civilization predating atlantis which as Plato described was the volcano that destroyed the Minoan People of the Mediterranean. but that is long after geneses and the great flood, which is the result of the ice sheet melting over everest. I prefer the Dagon's accounts from north africa, and Sitchens translations of cuneiform text from mesopotamia. incidentally, that is the origin of our 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24 hour day, 60 minute hour. You would do better reading the references in the niv bible. 1.3 million-year-old records. I stick with geneses, though Ezekiel is cool. there are a few others I like just as much but can't quite recall the name/s?


correction miss read. 1. 2 millennia, Gilgamesh. the oldest recorded account is 18th-century bc. 18,000? hammurapi's code akkadian. forgot vedas are assumed to be 70,000. the story of Hanuman I find most intriguing.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby MungoBrush » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:05 pm

Cannydc wrote:Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.


My goodness
Next you’ll be saying that there was no Joshua and the Battle of Jericho never happened
The worlds first ever recorded act of genocide.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby Cannydc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:22 pm

Cannydc wrote:Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.


Just to repeat.....

Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Good to see we have genuine biblical scholars in the forum wh know better, and look forward to seeing peer reviewed evidence from both Bungle and Art....
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby MungoBrush » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:53 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.


Just to repeat.....

Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Good to see we have genuine biblical scholars in the forum wh know better, and look forward to seeing peer reviewed evidence from both Bungle and Art....


And you don't believe in the Bible.
Good to know that too.

By the way
If you don't believe in the genocide at Jericho, do you also deny the Holocaust?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby Cannydc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:02 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.


Just to repeat.....

Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Good to see we have genuine biblical scholars in the forum wh know better, and look forward to seeing peer reviewed evidence from both Bungle and Art....


And you don't believe in the Bible.
Good to know that too.

By the way
If you don't believe in the genocide at Jericho, do you also deny the Holocaust?


Wot, no evidence that Moses ever existed, Bungle ?

As for 'believing in the bible' - many exist, and were written centuries after the death of Christ. Fairy tales for the most part.

Jericho ? Excavations at Tell es-Sultan, the biblical Jericho, have failed to produce data to substantiate the biblical story, and scholars are virtually unanimous that the Book of Joshua holds little historical value. Again, you seem quite keen to disprove them (surprise, surprise) so LET'S SEE YOUR EVIDENCE.

I'll leave Holocaust denial to you, the proven anti-Semite.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby MungoBrush » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:05 pm

Cannydc wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Of course, there are those who think they know better.


Just to repeat.....

Moses never existed.

Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Good to see we have genuine biblical scholars in the forum wh know better, and look forward to seeing peer reviewed evidence from both Bungle and Art....


And you don't believe in the Bible.
Good to know that too.

By the way
If you don't believe in the genocide at Jericho, do you also deny the Holocaust?


Wot, no evidence that Moses ever existed, Bungle ?

As for 'believing in the bible' - many exist, and were written centuries after the death of Christ. Fairy tales for the most part.

Jericho ? Excavations at Tell es-Sultan, the biblical Jericho, have failed to produce data to substantiate the biblical story, and scholars are virtually unanimous that the Book of Joshua holds little historical value. Again, you seem quite keen to disprove them (surprise, surprise) so LET'S SEE YOUR EVIDENCE.

I'll leave Holocaust denial to you, the proven anti-Semite.


Wondering why you are using big bolded letters
Are you shouting at me?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby Cannydc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:10 pm

I only do it because of your regular habit of either completely missing the point, or simply twisting other's words to suit your agenda.

So it's to make sure you understand the emphasised bits - and it isn't shouting, that's traditionally reserved for posts in block capitals.

https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/ ... de-yelling
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby MungoBrush » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:21 pm

Cannydc wrote:I only do it because of your regular habit of either completely missing the point, or simply twisting other's words to suit your agenda.

So it's to make sure you understand the emphasised bits - and it isn't shouting, that's traditionally reserved for posts in block capitals.

https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/ ... de-yelling


So at what point in the Bible do you think that it becomes historical fact - if ever?
My understanding is that the Old Testament is supposed to be the history of the Jewish people.
For example - do you think that David wrote the Psalms?

Not criticising - just interested in your viewpoint.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby Cannydc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:40 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I only do it because of your regular habit of either completely missing the point, or simply twisting other's words to suit your agenda.

So it's to make sure you understand the emphasised bits - and it isn't shouting, that's traditionally reserved for posts in block capitals.

https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/ ... de-yelling


So at what point in the Bible do you think that it becomes historical fact - if ever?
My understanding is that the Old Testament is supposed to be the history of the Jewish people.
For example - do you think that David wrote the Psalms?

Not criticising - just interested in your viewpoint.


Like many of the best novels, a modicum of historical fact is sure to be in the old testament. However, the old testament consists of many distinct books by various authors produced over a period of centuries, so it is undoubtedly a mishmash of Chinese whispers passed down through history, bound together with an element of historic fact.

The new testament, concentrating on the teachings of Jesus Christ, is much closer to being believable, given the abilities of modern day conjurers to enact 'miracles' of their own. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Given that, I am of the opinion that he probably did exist.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby MungoBrush » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:12 pm

Cannydc wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I only do it because of your regular habit of either completely missing the point, or simply twisting other's words to suit your agenda.

So it's to make sure you understand the emphasised bits - and it isn't shouting, that's traditionally reserved for posts in block capitals.

https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/ ... de-yelling


So at what point in the Bible do you think that it becomes historical fact - if ever?
My understanding is that the Old Testament is supposed to be the history of the Jewish people.
For example - do you think that David wrote the Psalms?

Not criticising - just interested in your viewpoint.


Like many of the best novels, a modicum of historical fact is sure to be in the old testament. However, the old testament consists of many distinct books by various authors produced over a period of centuries, so it is undoubtedly a mishmash of Chinese whispers passed down through history, bound together with an element of historic fact.

The new testament, concentrating on the teachings of Jesus Christ, is much closer to being believable, given the abilities of modern day conjurers to enact 'miracles' of their own. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Given that, I am of the opinion that he probably did exist.


Regarding the New Testament
If the question is about whether or not there was a young firebrand priest wandering the desert 2000 years ago preaching about impending doom and showing the way of salvation then I don't doubt it for a minute.
We have people like that today.
Did he say some nice things about looking after less well off people?
I think that's credible.

Did he turn water into wine?
Did he feed 5000 people with 5 loaves and 2 fishes?
Did his lifeless body break out of a stone tomb and come to life then fly up to heaven?

That I doubt very much

Is he coming back to earth to "save everyone"? Definitely not. He's gone.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists Just Want to Feel Special

Postby Cannydc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:36 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I only do it because of your regular habit of either completely missing the point, or simply twisting other's words to suit your agenda.

So it's to make sure you understand the emphasised bits - and it isn't shouting, that's traditionally reserved for posts in block capitals.

https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/ ... de-yelling


So at what point in the Bible do you think that it becomes historical fact - if ever?
My understanding is that the Old Testament is supposed to be the history of the Jewish people.
For example - do you think that David wrote the Psalms?

Not criticising - just interested in your viewpoint.


Like many of the best novels, a modicum of historical fact is sure to be in the old testament. However, the old testament consists of many distinct books by various authors produced over a period of centuries, so it is undoubtedly a mishmash of Chinese whispers passed down through history, bound together with an element of historic fact.

The new testament, concentrating on the teachings of Jesus Christ, is much closer to being believable, given the abilities of modern day conjurers to enact 'miracles' of their own. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Given that, I am of the opinion that he probably did exist.


Regarding the New Testament
If the question is about whether or not there was a young firebrand priest wandering the desert 2000 years ago preaching about impending doom and showing the way of salvation then I don't doubt it for a minute.
We have people like that today.
Did he say some nice things about looking after less well off people?
I think that's credible.

Did he turn water into wine?
Did he feed 5000 people with 5 loaves and 2 fishes?
Did his lifeless body break out of a stone tomb and come to life then fly up to heaven?

That I doubt very much

Is he coming back to earth to "save everyone"? Definitely not. He's gone.


I pretty much 100% concur.
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