The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby Maddog » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:58 pm

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:Single Mother of Three Arrested, Thrown in Jail—Over Unpaid Medical Bill

Her crime was having a heart attack.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51209.htm

Perfect example of what I said.

You think that's the norm and acceptable maddog, the rest of the world see it differently...but then they must be socialists or communists or 'expect free shit'...

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Matt's a libertarian or an anarchist. I often agree with him. I do in this case too. The government shouldn't be enforcing civil cases like this with the police.

I'm trying to figure out how not paying for an ambulance ride would result in a civil judgement that would result in a court hearing. Wouldn't happen in Texas. They would just turn it over to a collection agency like any unpaid bills.

Maybe the ambulance company is considered a government entity and it's considered theft of government services?


You don't think the bill is the problem, just the way of collecting it?

Sums up the American mentality and the power of propaganda.


Yeah. Me and Matt (The libertarian you quoted, Google his fake last name for information on his positions) have issues with the state putting people in cages over any sort of unpaid bills.

But the government needs it's money.........
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby wutang » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:09 pm

Fletch wrote:Single Mother of Three Arrested, Thrown in Jail—Over Unpaid Medical Bill

Her crime was having a heart attack.




She was charged $3,000 for an ambulance!!!!! :yikes: :yikes:

The American healthcare system is fucked up.

Thank fuck for the NHS
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby Maddog » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:52 pm

wutang wrote:
Fletch wrote:Single Mother of Three Arrested, Thrown in Jail—Over Unpaid Medical Bill

Her crime was having a heart attack.




She was charged $3,000 for an ambulance!!!!! :yikes: :yikes:

The American healthcare system is fucked up.

Thank fuck for the NHS


I'm sure that was with late fees and other penalties. But ambulance rides are pretty expensive because lots of people don't pay them.

I can assure you when the homeless person gets picked up laying in the street he's not getting billed 3 grand, or ever going to get arrested for not paying the bill.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby wutang » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:30 pm

Maddog wrote:
I'm sure that was with late fees and other penalties. But ambulance rides are pretty expensive because lots of people don't pay them.

I can assure you when the homeless person gets picked up laying in the street he's not getting billed 3 grand, or ever going to get arrested for not paying the bill.


Still getting billed, even worse when they get billed despite also paying for insurance

After receiving a two-mile transport in February, Santoro experienced sticker shock: His ride added up to $2,691.50. Though insurance covered most of it, Santoro had to pay $770.30 out of pocket, and he wondered if that was right. The bulk of the bill resulted from the fact he hadn’t yet hit his annual deductible, but it still seemed pricey, he said, given the brief care he received.

https://blog.credit.com/2017/04/my-2-mi ... al-169987/


I much prefer our system and pray to god it is never privatised.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby wutang » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:36 pm

Maddog wrote:But ambulance rides are pretty expensive because lots of people don't pay them.



Which is surely an argument in favour of universal healthcare? those people would then be paying towards their medical costs through their taxes.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby Maddog » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:58 am

wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:But ambulance rides are pretty expensive because lots of people don't pay them.



Which is surely an argument in favour of universal healthcare? those people would then be paying towards their medical costs through their taxes.



I guess it depends on if you are the one paying. One thing about our convoluted system is that we have extremely fast response times. Really our emergency care is as good as anyone. If you have a collision on the highway, 30 miles outside of town, you will likely get a helicopter ride and be in the ER faster than anywhere on the planet.

It might bankrupt you, and our preventive care is lacking for people who are not quite poor, but not wealthy enough for good insurance.

Or the self employed like me. I pay $500 per month with a $5000 per year deductible. So I basically self pay and have a policy for if the shit hits the fan.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby jra » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:25 am

wutang wrote:
Fletch wrote:Single Mother of Three Arrested, Thrown in Jail—Over Unpaid Medical Bill

Her crime was having a heart attack.




She was charged $3,000 for an ambulance!!!!! :yikes: :yikes:

The American healthcare system is fucked up.

Thank fuck for the NHS


The NHS is far from perfect. It's all a bit of a lottery really. While I've generally had good treatment from the NHS, a friend of mine living in the same catchment area has had anything but, which is alarming as his health conditions are far worse than mine.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby wutang » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:34 pm

Maddog wrote:
It might bankrupt you, and our preventive care is lacking for people who are not quite poor, but not wealthy enough for good insurance.

Or the self employed like me. I pay $500 per month with a $5000 per year deductible. So I basically self pay and have a policy for if the shit hits the fan.


This what worries me about the privatised system. Im in the income bracket just above minimum wage so would not be entitled to state assistance (medicaid) but would struggle to pay for an insurance package that would come close to covering what I get with the NHS.

My tax deduction (income tax and national insurance) each month is roughly £200-250 (depending on overtime), and only part of that is NHS contribution. If the NHS was privatised the reduction in taxes would be minor compared to the hundreds that I would have to pay in health insurance each month to get the same level of care... and I would still have to pay for treatment less than the deductible.

Fucked up system.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby wutang » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:36 pm

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The NHS is far from perfect. It's all a bit of a lottery really. While I've generally had good treatment from the NHS, a friend of mine living in the same catchment area has had anything but, which is alarming as his health conditions are far worse than mine.


I agree. But if this was America your friend would now owe tens of thousands and would be close to bankruptcy - that's if he got the treatment at all.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby jra » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:11 pm

wutang wrote:
jra wrote:[

The NHS is far from perfect. It's all a bit of a lottery really. While I've generally had good treatment from the NHS, a friend of mine living in the same catchment area has had anything but, which is alarming as his health conditions are far worse than mine.


I agree. But if this was America your friend would now owe tens of thousands and would be close to bankruptcy - that's if he got the treatment at all.


That depends on their private medical insurance. Plus you have to factor in how max tax paid at source and average salary when compared with the UK.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby Maddog » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:27 pm

jra wrote:
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jra wrote:[

The NHS is far from perfect. It's all a bit of a lottery really. While I've generally had good treatment from the NHS, a friend of mine living in the same catchment area has had anything but, which is alarming as his health conditions are far worse than mine.


I agree. But if this was America your friend would now owe tens of thousands and would be close to bankruptcy - that's if he got the treatment at all.


That depends on their private medical insurance. Plus you have to factor in how max tax paid at source and average salary when compared with the UK.


Yup. Most Americans get insurance as part of an employment package. Even folks who dont make a lot of money get it through work, or get most of it paid through work.

I don't know what Wu or your friend does for work, but odds are they would have pretty good coverage paid for by their employer.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby wutang » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:29 pm

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I don't know what Wu or your friend does for work, but odds are they would have pretty good coverage paid for by their employer.


Not sure. The company I work for is owned by a big conglomerate but the actual management are a bunch of penny pinching bastards that consistently try to fuck us over.

Also not comfortable with a system whereby your boss has you and your families healthcare in their hands - makes it harder to stand up to shitty bosses for fear of losing healthcare.
Healthcare should be available to everyone regardless of their position in society.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:57 pm

Bit late to start worrying about the NHS being privatised it's already happened in large part.
How much does Virgin Care now own?
Cameron told Branson to leave the NHS signage up because the public weren't ready for the truth yet.
AnE and out of hours doctors are already privatised in most hospitals.
Few took enough fucking notice of all the things many of us posted accusing us of posting links from dodgy fake news sites no matter how many times we said the purveyors of fake news are the BBC the Guardian and all the fucking rest of the MSM.
The government pay these private companies to run these things and the public for now remain blissfully unaware of what's happened .... for now.
When this government say they are putting more money into the NHS it is sadly going on Bransons balloons yachts islands and weed.
To fucking late now.
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby LordRaven » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:01 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Bit late to start worrying about the NHS being privatised it's already happened in large part.
How much does Virgin Care now own?
Cameron told Branson to leave the NHS signage up because the public weren't ready for the truth yet.
AnE and out of hours doctors are already privatised in most hospitals.
Few took enough fucking notice of all the things many of us posted accusing us of posting links from dodgy fake news sites no matter how many times we said the purveyors of fake news are the BBC the Guardian and all the fucking rest of the MSM.
The government pay these private companies to run these things and the public for now remain blissfully unaware of what's happened .... for now.
When this government say they are putting more money into the NHS it is sadly going on Bransons balloons yachts islands and weed.
To fucking late now.

Thanks for reminding everyone that yourself and Felch are the only reliable sources of news --IYO :smilin:
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Re: The American Catastrophe: Drug, Alcohol, And Suicide

Postby jra » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:42 pm

Maddog wrote:
jra wrote:
wutang wrote:
jra wrote:[

The NHS is far from perfect. It's all a bit of a lottery really. While I've generally had good treatment from the NHS, a friend of mine living in the same catchment area has had anything but, which is alarming as his health conditions are far worse than mine.


I agree. But if this was America your friend would now owe tens of thousands and would be close to bankruptcy - that's if he got the treatment at all.


That depends on their private medical insurance. Plus you have to factor in how max tax paid at source and average salary when compared with the UK.


Yup. Most Americans get insurance as part of an employment package. Even folks who dont make a lot of money get it through work, or get most of it paid through work.

I don't know what Wu or your friend does for work, but odds are they would have pretty good coverage paid for by their employer.


What if you're not employed though? According to a quick Google, that's 4% of the US population or around 13 million people. In the UK everybody gets free medical treatment irrespective of income (at the point of need) on the NHS with a few exceptions like dental treatment, prescriptions and glasses, unless you fall into certain groups, e.g. claiming some types of benefits, are under the age of 16 IIRC or above a certain age.
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