Begum nationality stripped from her

[Dinkydoobie]

The claim wasn't made by the UK

Yes it was. In one of the articles the journalists discovered their involvement from a freedom of information request.

[wutang]

"British personnel are not involved in carrying out strikes, directing or conducting operations in Yemen or selecting targets, and are not involved in the Saudi targeting decision-making process."

The Ministry of Defence said that the military officials were not directly choosing targets or typing in codes for the Saudi “smart bombs” but confirmed that they were training their counterparts in doing so.

"Now I cant tell you where to drop your bombs but If it were us this is where we would drop them" and "we cant type in the code for your attacks but here is how you do it step-by-step"

This is like Charlie Manson saying "technically I didnt physically kill anyone"

[Dinkydoobie]

This is like Charlie Manson saying "technically I didnt physically kill anyone"

So you're saying the UK indoctrinated Saudi Arabia into its cult and they're killing people with the understanding that it's the will of the UK?

unless you've got specific examples where the Saudi Military were advised by the UK and they went on to break international law then how is the UK in any way responsible for their decisions?

It's legal to sell jets and missiles to other countries just as it's legal to sell people guns. If Charles Manson was sold a gun and taught how to use it responsibly - is the gun dealer responsible for what he does with it?

[LordRaven]

"British personnel are not involved in carrying out strikes, directing or conducting operations in Yemen or selecting targets, and are not involved in the Saudi targeting decision-making process."

The Ministry of Defence said that the military officials were not directly choosing targets or typing in codes for the Saudi “smart bombs” but confirmed that they were training their counterparts in doing so.

"Now I cant tell you where to drop your bombs but If it were us this is where we would drop them" and "we cant type in the code for your attacks but here is how you do it step-by-step"

This is like Charlie Manson saying "technically I didnt physically kill anyone"

So any gun manuafacturer or anyone training someone to use a gun is guilty of pulling the trigger? That is some stretch.
All the people murdered by knives this year were killed by whoever crafted the knife too in your opinion.
Anyone getting killed by a drunk driver was killed by the automotive industry?
I am sorry but that is just too far a stretch of the blame game.

[LordRaven]

This is like Charlie Manson saying "technically I didnt physically kill anyone"

So you're saying the UK indoctrinated Saudi Arabia into it's cult and they're killing people with the understanding that it's the will of the UK?

unless you've got specific examples where the Saudi Military were advised by the UK and they went on to break international law then how is the UK in any way responsible for their decisions?

It's legal to sell jets and missiles to other countries just as it's legal to sell people guns. If Charles Manson was sold a gun and taught how to use it responsibly - is the gun dealer responsible for what he does with it?

If Brexit goes through, which is looking less likely, we will have to step up arms sales and manufacture because we will need the revenue.

[Stooo]

This is like Charlie Manson saying "technically I didnt physically kill anyone"

So you're saying the UK indoctrinated Saudi Arabia into it's cult and they're killing people with the understanding that it's the will of the UK?

unless you've got specific examples where the Saudi Military were advised by the UK and they went on to break international law then how is the UK in any way responsible for their decisions?

It's legal to sell jets and missiles to other countries just as it's legal to sell people guns. If Charles Manson was sold a gun and taught how to use it responsibly - is the gun dealer responsible for what he does with it?

If Brexit goes through, which is looking less likely, we will have to step up arms sales and manufacture because we will need the revenue.

We've lost a decade's growth already and it will take as long to recover it if any other members would trust us again.

[LordRaven]

This is like Charlie Manson saying "technically I didnt physically kill anyone"

So you're saying the UK indoctrinated Saudi Arabia into it's cult and they're killing people with the understanding that it's the will of the UK?

unless you've got specific examples where the Saudi Military were advised by the UK and they went on to break international law then how is the UK in any way responsible for their decisions?

It's legal to sell jets and missiles to other countries just as it's legal to sell people guns. If Charles Manson was sold a gun and taught how to use it responsibly - is the gun dealer responsible for what he does with it?

If Brexit goes through, which is looking less likely, we will have to step up arms sales and manufacture because we will need the revenue.

We've lost a decade's growth already and it will take as long to recover it if any other members would trust us again.

I was at a do in the Houses of Parliament on thursday, it was an awards ceremony and amongst those getting awards were John Berco, Gavin Williamson, Priti Patel, Arlene Foster, Paul Choudhary (Bloody Hilarious when he mentione Indo-Pakistan crisis and turned to Gavin Williamson and said "you lot caused all this innit! So how's about you stepping up and sorting it Bro?" ) plus many more.
The one award winner I did get to talk to a lot and a had a few drinks with was Jon Craig the Sky News reporter, nice chap and we found out we had something in common as he knew someone who'd served in my regiment who had just passed away and he'd attended the funeral - which he thoughts was marvellous as it was a proper military funeral with Bagpipes etc.
I have never been there before and I was very impressed with the security on the night.

[Poison Ivy]

She is again begging to come how, claiming brainwashing.

I don't disbelieve that and I have always been unable to help myself feel sadness for someone who has ended up like she has at such a young age but the only way to even consider letting her back in would be to have her kept prisoner style, heavily monintered with teams of social workers and psychiatrists and even then it would still be a huge risk as it's not like such professionals have never fucked up massively and let themselves be conned by dangerous people into thinking their charge is safe to be released.

The harsher part of me thinks that if this girl really gave a damn about anyone but herself she would have handed over her baby before he died and at least let her child be saved, but she clung onto him like he was bargaining and not a person so most of me does want to just say stuff her, let her rot.

[Jon55]

Shamima Begum wants to come home - should we let her?

I do feel a bit sorry for her because she was a young girl and she made a mistake. I made a mistake when I was 15 and went off with an older man - my mom and dad forgave me.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7504885/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-tracked-British-jihadi-bride-Shamima-Begum-new-Syrian-camp.html

[Cactus Jack]

Stoo please merge this with the thread from however many months ago when it was discussed to death.

[Fletch]

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White Helmets resettlement

The UK will support White Helmets volunteers and their families, who were evacuated from Syria, under the government’s Vulnerable Persons Resettlement Scheme.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/whit ... settlement

[Guest]

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White Helmets resettlement

The UK will support White Helmets volunteers and their families, who were evacuated from Syria, under the government’s Vulnerable Persons Resettlement Scheme.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/whit ... settlement

Great news!
They need a safe haven.
Begum can have a private 737 Max on autopilot

[MungoBrush]

Great news!
They need a safe haven.
Begum can have a private 737 Max on autopilot

"Former Isis bride Shamima Begum has reportedly been told once again by the home secretary that she will never be allowed back to the UK."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 24956.html

[Cactus Jack]

As ever Priti Patel can't do anything right. I agree with not letting an ISIS bride back into the country but the racist and inflammatory language she used. We don't want her importing the Hindutva-ISIS conflict into the UK.

[Fletch]

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White Helmets resettlement

The UK will support White Helmets volunteers and their families, who were evacuated from Syria, under the government’s Vulnerable Persons Resettlement Scheme.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/whit ... settlement

Great news!
They need a safe haven.
Begum can have a private 737 Max on autopilot

The White Helmets, Hala Systems and the Grotesque Militarization of “Humanitarianism” in Syria

Vanessa Beeley looks at how the now-infamous White Helmets partnered with Chicago-based Hala Systems to militarize so-called humanitarian efforts in Syria.

Who is providing the terrorist groups still occupying the north-west of Syrian territory, Idlib, with the surveillance equipment and early warning technology to monitor airstrikes and civilian movement?

This article will provide evidence that the White Helmets are a militarized faux “humanitarian” organisation, seemingly providing essential early warning technology to alert the armed groups of imminent airstrikes by Syria and Russia.

The UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office (UK FCO) is one of the primary financiers of this pseudo “first responder” group that has usurped the original and Syrian Civil Defence, established inside Syria in 1953.

The White Helmets are already proven to be auxiliaries of the multiple extremist offshoots or forerunners of Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria – this article will demonstrate the extent to which the group provides cover for the supply of military and “humanitarian” equipment that essentially enables the armed groups to combat the Syrian military campaign to reclaim “every inch” of Syrian territory from the terrorist groups acting as proxies for the US Coalition and their allies in the Gulf States, Israel and Turkey.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/white-hel ... ia/262115/

Really raven Guest?