Climate change?

[Rolluplostinspace]

I keep hearing the term climate change deniers.
I don't think anyone denies the climate changes do they?
People disagree on why it is changing.
Do we have any climate change deniers here and if so what exactly are you denying?
I'm coming more and more to the conclusion that man has very little effect on the climate through his use of fossil fuels as we enter the next cooling phase.

[Rolluplostinspace]

We had a mini ice age around 1645 and 1715 when London held what became known as the frost fairs every winter on the river Thames.
They had markets funfairs and huge bonfires on the ice of the frozen river.
What was responsible for such drastic climate change over Northern Europe?
The sun lowering its output.
Before this there had been a warming period caused by ..... increased solar output.
The last cooling period was from the early forties to the early seventies and that why I remember as a child in the fifties and sixties white winters with lots of snow ice and frost.
Lots of snowmen lots of sledging .... every family I knew had a sturdy sledge hung up that they would bring out every winter.
What caused that cooling period?
A diminished solar output.
We then entered a warming period which we are just coming to the end of right on scientific cue .... as once again the sun's output drops.
This cooling period is expected to last around thirty years and the severity or lack of cannot be guessed at.
Notice carbon emissions have nothing to do with any of this.
Notice man has no influence over it whats so ever.
It's like the sun breathes in and out when it breathes out the planet warms when it breathes in the planet cools.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Of course our activities have pumped C02 into our atmosphere but the elephant in the room is deforestation.
We should be mass planting trees and stopping ripping out of the earth's lungs.
This would deal with the C02 until we have moved onto renewables.
The carbon we have already pumped into the atmosphere will remain there for at least ten thousand years so stopping the use of coal and oil now won't have much effect.
We need trees.
The more carbon we produce the more tress we should be saving and planting.

[Rolluplostinspace]

We are now destroying millions of trees across the world in a new and vengeful attack on the wonderful machines to make 5g possible.
We destroy ourselves for our technology yet again.

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By the way there are no certainties and no experts on dogs regarding climate change because it is so complicated that scientists don't fully understand the many mechanisms involved and there are more than two factions discussing and arguing the reality that is climate change.

[LordRaven]

We had a mini ice age around 1645 and 1715 when London held what became known as the frost fairs every winter on the river Thames.
They had markets funfairs and huge bonfires on the ice of the frozen river.
What was responsible for such drastic climate change over Northern Europe?
The sun lowering its output.
Before this there had been a warming period caused by ..... increased solar output.
The last cooling period was from the early forties to the early seventies and that why I remember as a child in the fifties and sixties white winters with lots of snow ice and frost.
Lots of snowmen lots of sledging .... every family I knew had a sturdy sledge hung up that they would bring out every winter.
What caused that cooling period?
A diminished solar output.
We then entered a warming period which we are just coming to the end of right on scientific cue .... as once again the sun's output drops.
This cooling period is expected to last around thirty years and the severity or lack of cannot be guessed at.
Notice carbon emissions have nothing to do with any of this.
Notice man has no influence over it whats so ever.
It's like the sun breathes in and out when it breathes out the planet warms when it breathes in the planet cools.

The effects of a massive volcanic eruption in Peru more than 400 years ago might have significantly impacted societies and agriculture world-wide, according to a new study of historic records.

Huaynaputina erupted in southern Peru on Feb. 19, 1600, driving volcanic mudflows that destroyed villages for many miles around and spewing a huge column of smoke and ash into the atmosphere.

The eruption of Huaynaputina represents the largest known eruption in South America in the past 500 years, said study leader Ken Verosub of the University of California, Davis.

Global cooling

Like many other volcanic eruptions, Huaynaputina injected a large amount of sulfur into the atmosphere. Sulfur reacts with water in the air to form sulfuric acid droplets, which reflect some of the sunlight hitting Earth, preventing rays from reaching the surface. The reduction in sunlight cools the surface for a year or so, until the droplets fall out of the atmosphere.

The most recent case of this cooling from a volcanic eruption occurred when Mount Pinatubo, in the Philippines, blew its top in 1991. Global temperatures dropped by about 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.5 degrees Celsius) the following year. (Scientists have proposed schemes to artificially inject sulfur into the atmosphere to counteract the effects of global warming.)

https://www.livescience.com/4912-volcan ... gests.html

[LordRaven]

I keep hearing the term climate change deniers.
I don't think anyone denies the climate changes do they?
People disagree on why it is changing.
Do we have any climate change deniers here and if so what exactly are you denying?
I'm coming more and more to the conclusion that man has very little effect on the climate through his use of fossil fuels as we enter the next cooling phase.

When I mention the fact we are in a natural inter-glacial stage people call me a denier, which is just nuts because its the truth.

We call times with large ice sheets “glacial periods” (or ice ages) and times without large ice sheets “interglacial periods.” The most recent glacial period occurred between about 120,000 and 11,500 years ago. Since then, Earth has been in an interglacial period called the Holocene.
Glacial-Interglacial Cycles | National Centers for Environmental ...
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climat ... l%20Cycles

[LordRaven]

By the way there are no certainties and no experts on dogs regarding climate change because it is so complicated that scientists don't fully understand the many mechanisms involved and there are more than two factions discussing and arguing the reality that is climate change.

True and it is a very contentious issue

[Rolluplostinspace]

We had a mini ice age around 1645 and 1715 when London held what became known as the frost fairs every winter on the river Thames.
They had markets funfairs and huge bonfires on the ice of the frozen river.
What was responsible for such drastic climate change over Northern Europe?
The sun lowering its output.
Before this there had been a warming period caused by ..... increased solar output.
The last cooling period was from the early forties to the early seventies and that why I remember as a child in the fifties and sixties white winters with lots of snow ice and frost.
Lots of snowmen lots of sledging .... every family I knew had a sturdy sledge hung up that they would bring out every winter.
What caused that cooling period?
A diminished solar output.
We then entered a warming period which we are just coming to the end of right on scientific cue .... as once again the sun's output drops.
This cooling period is expected to last around thirty years and the severity or lack of cannot be guessed at.
Notice carbon emissions have nothing to do with any of this.
Notice man has no influence over it whats so ever.
It's like the sun breathes in and out when it breathes out the planet warms when it breathes in the planet cools.

The effects of a massive volcanic eruption in Peru more than 400 years ago might have significantly impacted societies and agriculture world-wide, according to a new study of historic records.

Huaynaputina erupted in southern Peru on Feb. 19, 1600, driving volcanic mudflows that destroyed villages for many miles around and spewing a huge column of smoke and ash into the atmosphere.

The eruption of Huaynaputina represents the largest known eruption in South America in the past 500 years, said study leader Ken Verosub of the University of California, Davis.

Global cooling

Like many other volcanic eruptions, Huaynaputina injected a large amount of sulfur into the atmosphere. Sulfur reacts with water in the air to form sulfuric acid droplets, which reflect some of the sunlight hitting Earth, preventing rays from reaching the surface. The reduction in sunlight cools the surface for a year or so, until the droplets fall out of the atmosphere.

The most recent case of this cooling from a volcanic eruption occurred when Mount Pinatubo, in the Philippines, blew its top in 1991. Global temperatures dropped by about 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.5 degrees Celsius) the following year. (Scientists have proposed schemes to artificially inject sulfur into the atmosphere to counteract the effects of global warming.)

https://www.livescience.com/4912-volcan ... gests.html

Yes volcanic activity and earthquakes do tend to put man in his place.
Few scientists can predict where all this is leading.
A lot of ice melt on Greenland over the last few years is causing huge earthquakes which in turn cause other problems like tsunamis and just the sheer weight of the calving of icebergs also causes tsunamis.
The earthquakes may yet trigger more volcanic adding to global cooling.
A big problem with the carbon we have already put into the atmosphere is it will be there for thousands of years so cutting emissions probably won't have much impact on climate change ... on pollution yes but climate change probably not.

Giant earthquakes are shaking Greenland — and scientists just figured out the disturbing reason why
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... f06240859b

[Rolluplostinspace]

Cold blob (North Atlantic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob_(North_Atlantic)

[LordRaven]

We had a mini ice age around 1645 and 1715 when London held what became known as the frost fairs every winter on the river Thames.
They had markets funfairs and huge bonfires on the ice of the frozen river.
What was responsible for such drastic climate change over Northern Europe?
The sun lowering its output.
Before this there had been a warming period caused by ..... increased solar output.
The last cooling period was from the early forties to the early seventies and that why I remember as a child in the fifties and sixties white winters with lots of snow ice and frost.
Lots of snowmen lots of sledging .... every family I knew had a sturdy sledge hung up that they would bring out every winter.
What caused that cooling period?
A diminished solar output.
We then entered a warming period which we are just coming to the end of right on scientific cue .... as once again the sun's output drops.
This cooling period is expected to last around thirty years and the severity or lack of cannot be guessed at.
Notice carbon emissions have nothing to do with any of this.
Notice man has no influence over it whats so ever.
It's like the sun breathes in and out when it breathes out the planet warms when it breathes in the planet cools.

The effects of a massive volcanic eruption in Peru more than 400 years ago might have significantly impacted societies and agriculture world-wide, according to a new study of historic records.

Huaynaputina erupted in southern Peru on Feb. 19, 1600, driving volcanic mudflows that destroyed villages for many miles around and spewing a huge column of smoke and ash into the atmosphere.

The eruption of Huaynaputina represents the largest known eruption in South America in the past 500 years, said study leader Ken Verosub of the University of California, Davis.

Global cooling

Like many other volcanic eruptions, Huaynaputina injected a large amount of sulfur into the atmosphere. Sulfur reacts with water in the air to form sulfuric acid droplets, which reflect some of the sunlight hitting Earth, preventing rays from reaching the surface. The reduction in sunlight cools the surface for a year or so, until the droplets fall out of the atmosphere.

The most recent case of this cooling from a volcanic eruption occurred when Mount Pinatubo, in the Philippines, blew its top in 1991. Global temperatures dropped by about 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.5 degrees Celsius) the following year. (Scientists have proposed schemes to artificially inject sulfur into the atmosphere to counteract the effects of global warming.)

https://www.livescience.com/4912-volcan ... gests.html

Yes volcanic activity and earthquakes do tend to put man in his place.
Few scientists can predict where all this is leading.
A lot of ice melt on Greenland over the last few years is causing huge earthquakes which in turn cause other problems like tsunamis and just the sheer weight of the calving of icebergs also causes tsunamis.
The earthquakes may yet trigger more volcanic adding to global cooling.
A big problem with the carbon we have already put into the atmosphere is it will be there for thousands of years so cutting emissions probably won't have much impact on climate change ... on pollution yes but climate change probably not.

Giant earthquakes are shaking Greenland — and scientists just figured out the disturbing reason why
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... f06240859b

I read about Greenland rising because the sheer volume of ice that has depressed its land mass for eons is melting and there are rivers of meltwater underneath the ice as it melts faster and faster.

[art0hur0moh]

We had a mini ice age around 1645 and 1715 when London held what became known as the frost fairs every winter on the river Thames.
They had markets funfairs and huge bonfires on the ice of the frozen river.
What was responsible for such drastic climate change over Northern Europe?
The sun lowering its output.
Before this there had been a warming period caused by ..... increased solar output.
The last cooling period was from the early forties to the early seventies and that why I remember as a child in the fifties and sixties white winters with lots of snow ice and frost.
Lots of snowmen lots of sledging .... every family I knew had a sturdy sledge hung up that they would bring out every winter.
What caused that cooling period?
A diminished solar output.
We then entered a warming period which we are just coming to the end of right on scientific cue .... as once again the sun's output drops.
This cooling period is expected to last around thirty years and the severity or lack of cannot be guessed at.
Notice carbon emissions have nothing to do with any of this.
Notice man has no influence over it whats so ever.
It's like the sun breathes in and out when it breathes out the planet warms when it breathes in the planet cools.

The effects of a massive volcanic eruption in Peru more than 400 years ago might have significantly impacted societies and agriculture world-wide, according to a new study of historic records.

Huaynaputina erupted in southern Peru on Feb. 19, 1600, driving volcanic mudflows that destroyed villages for many miles around and spewing a huge column of smoke and ash into the atmosphere.

The eruption of Huaynaputina represents the largest known eruption in South America in the past 500 years, said study leader Ken Verosub of the University of California, Davis.

Global cooling

Like many other volcanic eruptions, Huaynaputina injected a large amount of sulfur into the atmosphere. Sulfur reacts with water in the air to form sulfuric acid droplets, which reflect some of the sunlight hitting Earth, preventing rays from reaching the surface. The reduction in sunlight cools the surface for a year or so, until the droplets fall out of the atmosphere.

The most recent case of this cooling from a volcanic eruption occurred when Mount Pinatubo, in the Philippines, blew its top in 1991. Global temperatures dropped by about 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.5 degrees Celsius) the following year. (Scientists have proposed schemes to artificially inject sulfur into the atmosphere to counteract the effects of global warming.)

https://www.livescience.com/4912-volcan ... gests.html

Yes volcanic activity and earthquakes do tend to put man in his place.
Few scientists can predict where all this is leading.
A lot of ice melt on Greenland over the last few years is causing huge earthquakes which in turn cause other problems like tsunamis and just the sheer weight of the calving of icebergs also causes tsunamis.
The earthquakes may yet trigger more volcanic adding to global cooling.
A big problem with the carbon we have already put into the atmosphere is it will be there for thousands of years so cutting emissions probably won't have much impact on climate change ... on pollution yes but climate change probably not.

Giant earthquakes are shaking Greenland — and scientists just figured out the disturbing reason why
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... f06240859b

I read about Greenland rising because the sheer volume of ice that has depressed its land mass for eons is melting and there are rivers of meltwater underneath the ice as it melts faster and faster.

That is the very reason We have Earth quakes in scotland. the ice depressed the land north and rose lime stone cliffs on the southern shore.

[MungoBrush]

Climate change has been happening since the day the earth was first formed
Surely no-one is denying that?
My understanding is that what is in dispute is the degree to which human activity has contributed to the current warming cycle, and what the potential impact could be if we continue on the current level of activity

I see that vegans are blaming farting cattle and sheep.
If that's true, then all those farting dinosaurs must have resulted in their own downfall.

[Guest]

Its a propaganda term. Climate change deniers. No one doubts the climate changes as it has always done since before man kind. The man made aspect is what i do not fully accept. Plys the ludicrous claims that if we dont stop driving cars by next year its too late irreversible damage is done. They ce been saying that for years.

Having said that mankind does need to adopt less wasteful and efficient energy sources. Air pollution and plastic in seas etc is just down to laziness as a species and we should be ashamed of ourselves due to that.

[MungoBrush]

Its a propaganda term. Climate change deniers. No one doubts the climate changes as it has always done since before man kind. The man made aspect is what i do not fully accept. Plys the ludicrous claims that if we dont stop driving cars by next year its too late irreversible damage is done. They ce been saying that for years.

Having said that mankind does need to adopt less wasteful and efficient energy sources. Air pollution and plastic in seas etc is just down to laziness as a species and we should be ashamed of ourselves due to that.

Apparently someone who changes their car every 5 years to get a more eco friendly vehicle is contributing more carbon dioxide than another who hangs on to their old diesel. That's supposedly because it produces far more carbon to build a new car that you would save from "cleaner" engines.