Lady Murasaki wrote:BJ has done something good then.
Stooo wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:BJ has done something good then.
It's the UKIP vote, it's just a repackaging. That vote in itself is fading as they die off.
Stooo wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:BJ has done something good then.
It's the UKIP vote, it's just a repackaging. That vote in itself is fading as they die off.
wutang wrote:Hasn't Farage already said that the Brexit party will do an electorial pact with the Tories - i.e only stand in seats where the Tories cant win.
Ironic as the only seats the Brexit party could win are the Tory ones (as, y'know, its nothing more than a Tory pressure group)
Lady Murasaki wrote:wutang wrote:Hasn't Farage already said that the Brexit party will do an electorial pact with the Tories - i.e only stand in seats where the Tories cant win.
Ironic as the only seats the Brexit party could win are the Tory ones (as, y'know, its nothing more than a Tory pressure group)
That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
Cactus Jack wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:wutang wrote:Hasn't Farage already said that the Brexit party will do an electorial pact with the Tories - i.e only stand in seats where the Tories cant win.
Ironic as the only seats the Brexit party could win are the Tory ones (as, y'know, its nothing more than a Tory pressure group)
That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
What the Labour Party is committed to at present is giving the choice to the people but giving them a real choice.
There are viable ways in which the EU and Britain could have a much looser relationship, in my view that means membership of the EU however I don't say that's the only solution - only that it's the best solution. The British people deserve to be offered a choice not between a pie in the sky, all things to all people, Russian sponsored pipe dream and remaining in the EU but a choice between a close relationship where the UK has a significant say, and in some instances a veto over, European matters that will directly affect its trade and commerce (i.e EU membership) or a more distant, with greater autonomy, but still close relationship where the UK has only an advisory role in European matters that will directly affect it's trade and commerce.
Some people may choose the latter. I suspect it won't be many but it will be a real choice between real alternatives not the seizure of a advisory vote to turn the UK into North Korea with it's own version of the Dear Leader stamping on the authority of Parliament under the pretext of returning sovereignty to it
Lady Murasaki wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:wutang wrote:Hasn't Farage already said that the Brexit party will do an electorial pact with the Tories - i.e only stand in seats where the Tories cant win.
Ironic as the only seats the Brexit party could win are the Tory ones (as, y'know, its nothing more than a Tory pressure group)
That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
What the Labour Party is committed to at present is giving the choice to the people but giving them a real choice.
There are viable ways in which the EU and Britain could have a much looser relationship, in my view that means membership of the EU however I don't say that's the only solution - only that it's the best solution. The British people deserve to be offered a choice not between a pie in the sky, all things to all people, Russian sponsored pipe dream and remaining in the EU but a choice between a close relationship where the UK has a significant say, and in some instances a veto over, European matters that will directly affect its trade and commerce (i.e EU membership) or a more distant, with greater autonomy, but still close relationship where the UK has only an advisory role in European matters that will directly affect it's trade and commerce.
Some people may choose the latter. I suspect it won't be many but it will be a real choice between real alternatives not the seizure of a advisory vote to turn the UK into North Korea with it's own version of the Dear Leader stamping on the authority of Parliament under the pretext of returning sovereignty to it
Tricky part is, you can’t really explain that on a doorstep when electioneering. People are used to soundbites and slogans and knee jerk reactions. The EU relationship, as we’ve seen can’t and shouldn’t, be severed just like that. There’s too much at stake. People were given a binary choice but the process is far from being so simple.
Everyone’s divided over it, the Tories, labour, families, friends etc. Not Lib Dem’s, but they’ve never really had much to lose with so few seats anyway.
Lady Murasaki wrote:That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
wutang wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
Or because he doesn't want to commit to remain.
Corbyn's stance seems to be: lets at least attempt to carry out what people voted for in the referendum by getting a deal that satisfies as many people as possible and then putting that choice to the public. Committing to remain removes this option and therefore opens up the can of worms that is pretending the referendum never happened and just ignoring brexit altogether
wutang wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
Or because he doesn't want to commit to remain.
Corbyn's stance seems to be: lets at least attempt to carry out what people voted for in the referendum by getting a deal that satisfies as many people as possible and then putting that choice to the public. Committing to remain removes this option and therefore opens up the can of worms that is pretending the referendum never happened and just ignoring brexit altogether
Lady Murasaki wrote:wutang wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:That’s why Corbyn won’t commit to remain the way Watson is doing. He knows the cost of losing seats to the BxP.
Or because he doesn't want to commit to remain.
Corbyn's stance seems to be: lets at least attempt to carry out what people voted for in the referendum by getting a deal that satisfies as many people as possible and then putting that choice to the public. Committing to remain removes this option and therefore opens up the can of worms that is pretending the referendum never happened and just ignoring brexit altogether
Emily Thornberry was so cringe last week!
She made the Tory eurosceptics look good.
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